[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 124, Issue 23
David Stare
davestare at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 18 15:26:24 PDT 2013
When I was young, I used to hear the Wilbur de Paris Band play at Jimmy Ryans in NYC. What ever happened to the members of the band? I am sure most of them are long gone, but does the band live on in any sense? Like Turk Murphy's music lives on in several bands. i.e., the Frisco |Jazz Band. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Dave Stare
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> 1. Fwd: Bria Skonberg interviewed - Washington Post, April 14,
> 2013 (J McClernan)
> 2. Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg interviewed...)
> (Bill Haesler)
> 3. Re: "Drummerless" bands [was "Turk Murphy"] (Paul Edgerton)
> 4. Re: Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg interviewed...)
> (Marek Boym)
> 5. Re: Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberginterviewed...)
> (Jack Mitchell)
> 6. Re: "Drummerless" bands [was "Turk Murphy"] (Jim O'Briant)
> 7. Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg interviewed...)
> (Bill Haesler)
> 8. Re: Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberginterviewed...)
> (J. D. Bryce)
> 9. Re: Come-on a-my house (was BriaSkonberginterviewed...) (Pat Ladd)
> 10. Re: "Drummerless" bands [was "Turk Murphy"] (Pat Ladd)
> 11. Jack Benny with Dinah Shore, Frank Sinatra, others
> (Robert Ringwald)
> 12. Come ona my house (Mike Sarkisian)
> 13. Re: Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg interviewed...)
> (Marek Boym)
> 14. Molly Ringwald (Robert Ringwald)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:45:30 -0400
> From: J McClernan <mcclernan1 at verizon.net>
> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Bria Skonberg interviewed - Washington
> Post, April 14, 2013
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> ...and I thought I was the only one
> Cheers,
> John McClernan
>
>
> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym at teledyn.com>
>
> .... when I was younger I found Rosemary Clooney's "Come-on a-my house" more than a
> little creepy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:41:38 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> To: dixieland jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, Pat Ladd
> <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>, Gary
> Lawrence Murphy <garym at teledyn.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg
> interviewed...)
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>
> Come-on Pat 'the Lad', Gary and Marek,
> Why are we wasting time discussing Rosemary's boring 1951 million seller 8-week chart hit (from the off-Broadway musical 'The Son')?
> With Stan Freeman on harpsichord?
> Stan who?
> Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Freeman
> And add the 1945 Glenn Miller orch, Sara Vaughan, Benny Goodman, Lee Wiley, Anita O'Day, Artie Shaw to his list of recordings.
> It was boring back then and still is.
> For me.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mriXncI96lw
> See, you've got me involved now.
> 8>)
> Very kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:47:48 -0700
> From: Paul Edgerton <paul.edgerton at gmail.com>
> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Drummerless" bands [was "Turk Murphy"]
> Message-ID:
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> The old line is: "It takes a very good drummer to be better than no drummer
> at all!" Of course, the same can be said about any instrument.
>
> It's true that a poor drummer is a detriment to the ensemble, but a good
> one does much more than just keep time. He sets the prevailing dynamic
> level. Along with the bass, he defines the feel. He highlights the
> structure of the music by changing color, density, and dynamics. He listens
> to, interacts with and lights a fire under a soloist. A good drummer knows
> when to stay out of the way, and when to kick it up. (Hal Smith, I'm
> looking at you.)
>
> Importantly, the 'he' I referred to above needn't be male -- Beth
> Goodfellow being Exhibit A.
>
> There have have been numerous poor drummers in my musical history, but more
> than few really great ones too, like Wayne Jones, Bert Dahlander, Jeff
> Hamilton, Eddie Metz, and many others. I enjoy playing in "drummerless"
> bands, but I'll take a good drummer every time I can get one.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Anton Crouch
> <anton.crouch at optusnet.com.au>wrote:
>
> > Good to see that DJML is back on line.
> >
> > Hello all
> >
> > The issue of pulse is an important one but the degree to which drummers
> > contribute to it is controversial. Think of the (drummerless) Louis
> > Armstrong Hot Five.
> >
> > On the matter of drummers, it might be time to resurrect the golden oldie
> > of why a drum machine is superior to a drummer. A drum machine
> > 1. keeps time
> > 2. doesn't play solos
> > 3. can be turned off
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Anton
> >
> > On 15/04/2013 06:15, Bert Thompson wrote:
> >
> >> In a short piece I wrote on "drumerless" bands some time back, this was
> >> the closing paragraph: A jazz band without a (good) drummer is like a
> >> creature without a
> >> pulse, or at best a weak one, as far as I am concerned.
> >>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:21:59 +0300
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: dixieland jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, Pat Ladd
> <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg
> interviewed...)
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> When have I ever mentioned Rosemary Clooney? I don't even know the song
> discussed!
> I don't agree that BG was boring. As far as I am concerned, he's always
> been the greatest of them all! And while I prefer BG, I don't believe Shaw
> is boring, and the swinging Miller recordings are not too bad, either.
> As regards Bria Skonberg, Whatever I've heard so far was good. But some of
> the thigns she mentioned (guitar "effects", for example), I would not want
> to hear. And jodging by what she said, I would not buy a CDof hers before
> first hearing every single tune!
> with kind regards
>
> On 18 April 2013 00:41, Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Come-on Pat 'the Lad', Gary and Marek,
> > Why are we wasting time discussing Rosemary's boring 1951 million seller
> > 8-week chart hit (from the off-Broadway musical 'The Son')?
> > With Stan Freeman on harpsichord?
> > Stan who?
> > Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Freeman
> > And add the 1945 Glenn Miller orch, Sara Vaughan, Benny Goodman, Lee
> > Wiley, Anita O'Day, Artie Shaw to his list of recordings.
> > It was boring back then and still is.
> > For me.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mriXncI96lw
> > See, you've got me involved now.
> > 8>)
> > Very kind regards,
> > Bill.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:14:23 +1000
> From: "Jack Mitchell" <fjmitch at westnet.com.au>
> To: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was Bria
> Skonberginterviewed...)
> Message-ID: <CE6876E9F5444471890DDFC3DC082F0F at jackm>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> > Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Freeman
> > And add the 1945 Glenn Miller orch, Sara Vaughan, Benny Goodman, Lee
> > Wiley, Anita O'Day, Artie Shaw to his list of recordings.
> > It was boring back then and still is.
> > For me.
>
> Lee Wiley boring ?!? You gotta be kidding Bill - or much older than I am,
> which we both know ain't the case.
>
> Best wishes anyway
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:01:04 -0700
> From: "Jim O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> To: "'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List'" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Drummerless" bands [was "Turk Murphy"]
> Message-ID: <00e401ce3bc7$dc1b4b30$9451e190$@garlic.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Paul Edgerton wrote:
>
> > ... It's true that a poor drummer is a detriment to the ensemble,
>
> Amen!
>
> > ... but a good one does much more than just keep time. He
> > sets the prevailing dynamic level. Along with the bass, he
> > defines the feel. He highlights the structure of the music by
> > changing color, density, and dynamics. He listens to,
> > interacts with and lights a fire under a soloist. A good
> > drummer knows when to stay out of the way, and when
> > to kick it up.
>
> Unfortunately, I've heard too many drummers in Trad Jazz bands who set the
> prevailing dynamic level far too loud, and who don't know how to stay out of
> the way. My impression (not supported by anything) is that most of the
> drummers who fall in to this category are either (1) older folks who played
> a lot of big band drums when they were young, and still play as if they were
> in a 20-piece band, not a 7-piece band; or (2) younger folks who played a
> lot of rock drums when they were younger, and still play as if all the other
> instruments were funneled through a semi-load of amps and speakers. As for
> "staying out of the way," I often hear the opposite -- too many fills, all
> of them too complex and too loud.
>
> > (Hal Smith, I'm looking at you.)
>
> If I could have Hal Smith as my drummer, I'd do it in a heartbeat! But I'd
> have to move to Texas, and that's a whole 'nother issue.... :-)
>
> > Importantly, the 'he' I referred to above needn't be male --
> > Beth Goodfellow being Exhibit A.
>
> Agreed!
>
> > I enjoy playing in "drummerless" bands, but I'll take a
> > good drummer every time I can get one.
>
> Most of my drumming is in "drummerless" bands: The Zinfandel Stompers (my
> group) uses a drummer only when the client requests it. Ted Shafer's Jelly
> Roll Jazz Band (the 6-piece band) has no drummer. Ted Shafer's Jelly Roll
> Jazz Band (the 9-piece version) uses a drummer, usually Bert Thompson, and
> Bert plays the 1920's style very authentically -- to the point that he
> doesn't use a hi-hat....
>
> Jim O'Briant
> Gilroy, CA
> Tuba & Leader, The Zinfandel Stompers
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:19:21 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> To: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>, dixieland jazz
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg
> interviewed...)
> Message-ID: <21819927-FE40-43EC-ACE0-2A81D60B9F7A at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Marek Boym asked:
> > When have I ever mentioned Rosemary Clooney? I don't even know the song
> > discussed!
>
> Dear Marek,
> Then who wrote the following sent to the DJML on 16 April?:
>
> I've seen her on You Tube and she sounds great. But some of the stuff in
> the review sounds scary:
> ""Come On-a My House" -- the quasi-Armenian folk song popularized by Rosemary Clooney in 1951 -- with what she called a "swampy groove."
>
> > I don't agree that BG was boring.
>
> Nor do I! Never ever.
> I was adding BG and the other musicians/artists Stan Freeman recorded with, who were not mentioned in the Wiki link I provided.
> It is the Rosemary Clooney 'hit' I consider boring.
> Cheers and beers,
> Bill.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:33:33 -0400
> From: "J. D. Bryce" <brycejd at comcast.net>
> To: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was Bria
> Skonberginterviewed...)
> Message-ID: <36DE305002164E09ADEB4E3A5EC298F0 at owner4943ed9a6>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I remember an interview with Ms. Clooney where she stated that she hated
> that recording. The A&R man for Columbia, Mitch Miller, insisted that she
> record it with the pseudo-Italian accent. Clooney deeply regretted making
> it. She considered it an ethnic insult to her Italian heritage.
>
> This brings up the power of A&R men at the old major studios. Sinatra hated
> Miller. You couldn't put the two of them in a room without Sinatra going at
> Miller for making him record with dogs and do other novelty recordings in
> the late 1940s. Sinatra blamed Miller for the decline of his career.
>
> History records that Columbia dropped Sinatra around 1952, and Jo Stafford
> suggested to him that he move to Capitol and the rest is history. Sinatra
> recording his masterworks at Capitol in the mid-and late 1950s. He left
> around 1961 to form Reprise records where he became the "Chairman of the
> Board."
>
> Interestingly enough, after advising Sinatra to move to Capitol, Stafford
> moved from Capitol to Columbia in the mid-50s to record some of her best
> work.
>
> Jack Bryce
> Sax, Clarinet
> Still one of Littlefield's Minions
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:35:44 -0700
> From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> To: "J. D. Bryce" <brycejd at comcast.net>
> Cc: dixieland jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was
> BriaSkonberginterviewed...)
> Message-ID: <206DD21E1BF24BEE845854525C9D32A2 at patb7aee10db77>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> insisted that she
> record it with the pseudo-Italian accent. Clooney deeply regretted making
> it. She considered it an ethnic insult to her Italian heritage>>
>
> Oh Puhleeze,
> bet she cried all the way to the bank.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:37:43 -0700
> From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> To: "Jim O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> Cc: dixieland jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Drummerless" bands [was "Turk Murphy"]
> Message-ID: <35232F2AF17949FF981E38FFD4D7141C at patb7aee10db77>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> ... but a good one does much more than just keep time. He
> > sets the prevailing dynamic level. Along with the bass, he
> > defines the feel. He highlights the structure of the music by
> > changing color, density, and dynamics. He listens to,
> > interacts with and lights a fire under a soloist. A good
> > drummer knows when to stay out of the way, and when
> > to kick it up.
>
> Aw shucks,
> you guys talking about me again?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:19:17 -0700
> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jack Benny with Dinah Shore, Frank Sinatra,
> others
> Message-ID: <511D1275439C4E81A7144E49872A9B0D at BobPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> TV Shows on DVD has the full press release from Shout! Factory about its upcoming
> 3-DVD set "The Jack Benny Program: The Lost Episodes." Guest stars among the main
> episodes include Gisele MacKenzie and Jaye P. Morgan, while the bonus episodes include
> "Jack Benny's 20th Anniversary Special" (1969), with guest stars Dinah Shore and
> Frank Sinatra, and "Jack Benny's Second Farewell Special" (1974), also with Dinah.
> See
> http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/18323
>
>
> -Bob Ringwald
> www.ringwald.com
> Amateur (ham) Radio Operator K6YBV
> 916/ 806-9551
>
> I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man
> standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
> -Winston Churchill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:50:01 +0200
> From: "Mike Sarkisian" <mikesarkisian at aon.at>
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Come ona my house
> Message-ID: <B67C11BBFE1E4B9BB22A7423B35F0B6A at MikePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Written by William Saroyan and Ross Bagdasarian and based on an Armenian folk tune. Ross wrote and recorded under various names including David Saville ? Witch Doctor. He is best known as the father and voices of the Chipmunks.
>
> Mike Sarkisian
> Wenigzell, Austria
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:03:44 +0300
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Cc: dixieland jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Come-on a-my house (was Bria Skonberg
> interviewed...)
> Message-ID:
> <CABGvO8D2YyA0HnpFz69CtiqiXTYG8nb0Badf5m850qyR_-HBYw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dear Bill,
> The "Her" referred to Bria Skonberg - I thought that was clear. The
> referrence to the song came from the review, and I even put it in quotation
> marks. That was one of the things that sounded scary, and it should have
> been pretty clear from the context. I repeat the whole below;
> unfortunately, plain text does not allow highlighting things, or, if it
> does, I have no idea how.
>
> "I've seen her on You Tube and she sounds great. But some of the stuff in
> the review sounds scary:
> ""Come On-a My House" -- the quasi-Armenian folk song popularized by
> Rosemary Clooney in 1951 -- with what she called a "swampy groove.""
>
> On the other hand, your "It was boring back then and still is" folowing a
> lis of people sure sounded as if you had meant that they were boring. I
> was not the only one misled - hence Jacks comment on Lee Wiley. Following
> is the paragraph from your original email:
> "And add the 1945 Glenn Miller orch, Sara Vaughan, Benny Goodman, Lee
> Wiley, Anita O'Day, Artie Shaw to his list of recordings.
> It was boring back then and still is."
> In any event, I still don't know that song, nor want to.
>
>
> On 18 April 2013 03:19, Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Marek Boym asked:
> > > When have I ever mentioned Rosemary Clooney? I don't even know the song
> > > discussed!
> >
> > Dear Marek,
> > Then who wrote the following sent to the DJML on 16 April?:
> >
> > I've seen her on You Tube and she sounds great. But some of the stuff in
> > the review sounds scary:
> > ""Come On-a My House" -- the quasi-Armenian folk song popularized by
> > Rosemary Clooney in 1951 -- with what she called a "swampy groove."
> >
> > > I don't agree that BG was boring.
> >
> > Nor do I! Never ever.
> > I was adding BG and the other musicians/artists Stan Freeman recorded
> > with, who were not mentioned in the Wiki link I provided.
> > It is the Rosemary Clooney 'hit' I consider boring.
> > Cheers and beers,
> > Bill.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:42:30 -0700
> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Molly Ringwald
> Message-ID: <BAB7DE4B3E384E25BFD08DFEEE5D2851 at BobPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/b35d410443ab487e9cc836764dadb52f/US--Music-Molly-Ringwald/
>
> -Bob Ringwald
> www.ringwald.com
> Amateur (ham) Radio Operator K6YBV
> 916/ 806-9551
>
> I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man
> standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
> -Winston Churchill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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