[Dixielandjazz] Jazz History

[D and R Hardie]

Hi all
Tim is on the right track. Have you read my books The Birth of Jazz:  
Reviving the music of the Bolden Era and Exploring Early Jazz The  
Origin and Evolution of the New Orleans style ?
Dan Hardie

On 06/05/2012, at 11:25 AM, Shaw, Tim wrote:

>
> Gday Stan et al.
>
> Some people -including me - would argue that the  music that George  
> Lewis, Bunk  Johnson and their bands recorded is hardly anything  
> like 'early NO style' but something quite different.  Thinking that  
> the NO Revivalists represent early NO style(s) does the real thing  
> a huge injustice. - And will reinforce lots of classically oriented  
> listeners' idea that it was amateurish and primitive.
>
> You need to hear Armand Pirons Orchestra, Sam Morgan's and Oscar  
> Celestin's Bands, and the Astoria Hot 8 -  all recorded in the  
> 20s.  There are heaps of others.
> And how could you ignore King Oliver's Creole Jazz band (the  
> greatest of all) - and their white counterparts New Orleans Rhthym  
> Kings -  both recorded in the early 20s (in Chicago, but they were  
> NO bands).
>
> - And if you're teaching the history of jazz, surely you should  
> start with the ODJB - the band that started the jazz craze.   
> They're THE "early NO style" - first to record in 1917.  They're  
> much more frenetic than the 20s NO bands, but their recordings were  
> the original inspiration for Bix and many others.
>
> If you're limited to St Louis Blues  - then why not use one of  
> Bessie Smiths recordings (there's one with Armstrong (1925), and a  
> film soundtrack (1929)
>
> If you listen to any of the above, you'll discover a wealth of  
> variety and vastly superior level of sophistication and  
> musicianship than the revivalists can offer.
>
> Don't give your audience the wrong impression.
>
> Good luck
> Tim
> ________________________________________
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com [dixielandjazz- 
> bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Stan Brager  
> [sbrager at verizon.net]
> Sent: 06 May 2012 01:39
> To: Shaw, Tim
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jazz History
>
> I've been asked to teach the history of jazz as part of a music  
> appreciation
> class which concentrates on "Classical Music". The class would last  
> 1 to 1.5
> hours. It will be done using "St. Louis Blues" to illustrate the  
> various
> stages of jazz. Missing would be the early New Orleans style(s).  
> Would it be
> safe to say that Bunk Johnson or George Lewis circa the '40s - '60s  
> would be
> appropriate? What about the NO marching bands?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your thoughts;
>
>
>
> Stan
>
> Stan Brager
>
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