[Dixielandjazz] Zoot Sims & Coltrane

[Marek Boym]

> No need to drag Poland and Howard Ark

Roark.  But I was reminded of Mr. Toohey.  And communist Poland was
relevant - there one was not allowed to have one's own opinions, or if
one had, one was not supposed to agree with them, if they were not the
official outlook.  And there was the brainwashing.  I refuse to be
brainwashed into believeing the "official opinion" about Coltrane (or
Miles DAvis).

I have just posted a message about this issue being exhausted.
Despite my, perhaps misguided, decision to reply to your email, I
consider this issue closed.  Opinions as far from each other as East
and West shall never meet.

> (how obscure and irrelevant can you be?). My concern was that you and the stunt lady were being destructive without knowing what you are talking about. I don't have the slightest concern about whether or not you listen to Miles Davis or John Coltrane. You have a closed mind which deals only in a narrow field of music


Having experienced it all.  It was listening to Charlie Parker that
first made me aware of the boring nature of his trumpeter.  I still
listen to those records, and every time hear a trumpeter who spois
them.

>, so there is no point in any discussion between us.

We agree on at least one issue!

 I would note that, for somebody with those characteristics, you send
an abnormally large number of e- mails to the group.


After all, it is a Dixieland Jazz Mailing List.  And most of my emails
have been about that type of music, or about swing.

With kind regards


>
>> Of course, Steve, you are always right.  By definition, if we consider
>> Coltrane a purveyor of noise (I hope noise doesn't sue for libel!),
>> contrary to your opinion, we are wrong.  So be it - as long as we are
>> allowed to listen to music and be free of the unmusical sounds made by
>> Coltrane & co.  Your email reminds me of "The Fountainhead," and not
>> of Howard Roark.  And of the days gone by of communist Poland, where
>> one was supposed to believe what the powers that be told one to
>> believe.  I have had the misfortune of hearing Coltrane too many
>> times, and the only music I've ever heard from him was when he was
>> Earl Bostic's sideman.
>>
>> Ms. Wade IS a musician, rather than a critic (I strongly suggest
>> Jphnny Frigo's poem about critics, even if it deals with critics of
>> plastic arts, not music).
>> Best wishes,
>> Marek
>>
>> On 14 March 2012 22:05, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>> John Coltrane gave up stimulants many years before his death. He was a serious musician who, like Miles Davis, expanded the platform on which musicians could improvise. Condon- type music, Ellington, Basie, Herman, Louis etc was as we all know superb within its limits, but people like Wild Bill, Bechet, Hawkins and so on had explored the boundaries of what they played and were virtually repeating themselves to a public who had every right to enjoy themselves listening to these great players without having to make much intellectual effort. I must emphasise that this is not to denigrate the older giants, to whom I listen constantly. But it is refreshing to try to broaden one's listening. I've loved Miles's playing since first I heard it 65 years ago, and I paid to have John Coltrane's first albums imported to me in England from America. My love for them, Gil Evans and the great players from the 50s/60s ( yes, they were that long ago ) remains undiminished. I'm lucky but not unusual in being able to enjoy so many kinds of jazz (Johnny Dodds and King Oliver reman amongst my favourites).
>>> Miss Wade "knew" John Coltrane? She didn't know anything about his music, or, from the sound of it, much about anyone else's, probably including that of the esteemed John Haley. Her comments are irrelevant. Put her in the box with Marek. These people are just destructive of the work of artists who they don't understand. They don't make any criticisms or comment that have any moment and they show neither respect nor intelligence.
>>>
>>> Steve Voce
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 14 Mar 2012, at 16:46, kaye Wade <kaye at kayewade.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They don't compare, other than booze.
>>>>
>>>> I found two (2) Coltran songs that I ever gave a hoot about & I knew Him.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand - Zoot Sims was really something extra special as a jazz player.
>>>> I knew both of them & worked with Zoot Sims in N.O.
>>>> Of course those are two separate kinds of Jazz.
>>>>
>>>> Coltrane had no form or structure as many, so they called it Modern Jazz., because they were usually so drunk or stoned they had no idea where they were, or what they were playing.
>>>> Don't mess with old people. we've been there :-D
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> Kaye Wade
>>>>
>>>> Stuntwoman-Actress, Vocalist & Bandleader
>>>>
>>>> (also  *Kaye Wade's Riverboat Ramblers, *The Tinsel Town Ten Minus - 3,
>>>>
>>>> *Jazz Holiday Band @ Sardo's, Burbank, Ca, Washboards International.com
>>>>
>>>> Former San Fernando Valley Banjo Band NOW -*Jazz'n Banjos,*Reflexologist, and "THIMBLES" The Clown)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.KayeWade.com
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