[Dixielandjazz] OFF TOPIC RE: GRAMMIES /PHONIES

[GIORGI, RIC]

Yes Jerry, I've read that one as well as other theories of its origin it's
very plausible. But as phoney or phony doesn't appear in my OED (shorter)
but does in some etymological dictionaries with the note origins unknown, I
wondered if the origins had not surfaced yet being fairly recent but that if
the "fawney" origin had been correct the origins would have had time to be
well established. Ultimately - who knows but ain't words fun?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Gordon [mailto:jerrygordon at juno.com] 
Sent: February-15-12 9:51 AM
To: 'GIORGI, RIC'
Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] GRAMMIES /PHONIES

Not quite, Ric. According to http://www.etymonline.com:  phoney, perhaps an
alteration of fawney "gilt brass ring used by swindlers." The noun meaning
"phony person or thing" is attested from 1902.

Jerry Gordon
Troy, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of GIORGI, RIC
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:19 PM
To: Jerry Gordon
Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] GRAMMIES /PHONIES

Good suggestion but this could get confusing because the origin of the word
PHONY or PHONIES is that in the early days of a telephone salesperson who
was too shady to actually show up to sell something to someone but instead
telephoned them became known as PHONY. I guess that makes telemarketers
(except for musicians drumming up work)- TELEPHONIES.

Cheers,

Ric Giorgi



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Ric Giorgi
Conductor
Resa's Pieces Strings

-----Original Message-----
From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Jack Mitchell
Sent: February-12-12 4:57 PM
To: Ric Giorgi
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] GRAMMIES

I just heard on the news a reference to the Awards night of the American
recording industry called the GRAMMIES. Of course I've known for yonks of
this grand affair, also that the name comes from the word GRAMOPHONE. I've
known for far longer that Americans don't use that word but prefer
PHONOGRAPH, which we enlightened people use to refer to cylinder machines.
Anyway, it just struck me that given those facts, surely the awards should
be known as the PHONIES. Or would that be too literal??

Best wishes
Jack Mitchell
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