[Dixielandjazz] All the Girls Go Crazy

[D and R Hardie]

Hi all,
          It’s nice to find such an interesting thread about Early  
Jazz History. I first encountered the attribution of the Girls Go  
Crazy to Bolden  in Danny Barker’s Evergreen Review article (March  
1965) Memory of King Bolden. Chris Tyle is right in treating Barker’s  
work with caution. Donald Marquis told me he had discussed this  
article with Barker who said much of it was fiction. On the other  
hand Barker seems to have relied on information from Lorenzo Staultz  
who played guitar with Bolden and Marquis  seems to have been  
prepared  to make selective use of the article in In Search of Buddy  
Bolden.
           Marquis himself was my  original source of the The Old Cow  
Died / Muskrat Ramble ditty (Chapter 8 of In Search of Buddy Bolden  
quoting Jazzmen). Sydney Bechet seems to have been the primary  source.
          Ingemar Wagerman did a very thorough job of collating all  
the various references to the Bolden repertoire. Some of these proved  
to be false others appeared more likely to be true. I don’t know  
whether  he published the list separately  but it came in the notes  
to   the Gota River Jazzmen CD I Thought I Heard Buddy Bolden Play.  
Since then the original score for  Sammy Sampson’s Senegambian Band  
has been unearthed  and that title needs to be amended in  the list.  
(Bunk Johnson said Bolden played Sammy Samson I believe.)
           In preparing a repertoire for the Buddy Bolden Revival  
Orchestra I narrowed the list to about forty and tried to find  
suitable lead sheets.
       Our melody line for All the Girls Go Crazy was taken largely  
from Bunk Johnson with the Yerba Buena Jazz Band. The Old Cow Died  
was more difficult. There are  a number of different versions of the  
old folk song tune. None of them  are identical to any part of   
Muskrat Ramble though one seems to have some small  similarity with  
the first theme. I haven’t yet finalised an arrangement. No one knows  
the words used by Bolden.
regards
Dan Hardie
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http://tinyurl.com/nqaup

On 28/10/2011, at 1:38 PM, Stephen G Barbone wrote:

>
>> tyleman <tyleman at isp.com> wrote
>>
>> <barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> This is a tune that was reputed to be part of Buddy Bolden's  
>>> repertoire. The
>>> way I hear it, Ory changed the words and title thus getting  
>>> credit by some
>>> sources for writing the tune.
>>
>> According to what source, Steve? It's not mentioned in Don Marquis'
>> book about Bolden (generally considered the definitive book on
>> Bolden), in the section dedicated to numbers the band played. There's
>> also no reference to it in the book "Hear Me Talkin' to You," the
>> compilation of interviews with various musicians from a variety of
>> sources, first published in 1955.
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> Source is Dan Hardie who posted on the DJML the following about it  
> on April 3, 2004:
>
> The tune is generally regarded as part of the Bolden repertoire under
> the title All the Whores Go Crazy About the Way I Ride.  ( I think
> Danny Barker was the source of the information.) Wooden Joe Nicholas
> recorded it under that title on American Music AMCD 5. His is a bit
> rougher than the Bunk Johnson Yerba Buena one. (Witnesses said Bunk
> could never play loud and  rough  like Buddy.) I have been researching
> it for a current project and tried Googling it the other day but was
> advised only that  it was written by Ory which I doubt. I think it was
> origiinally one of the vernacular jump ups played by Bolden and  
> others.
> I have not been able to get hold of a lyric so I would appreciate a
> copy of it and your lead sheet. I could perhaps comment  further then.
> I too would appreciate any other information list members can provide.
> best wishes
>   Dan Hardie
>
> IIn one of his books, Dan also states that the song was part of  
> Bolden's repertoire. This from "The Ancestry of Jazz: A Musical  
> Family by Daniel Hardie, 2004. Pages 191 and 192. (excerpts):
>
> ". . . there is a core of some 42 compositions that can reasonably  
> said to have been performed by Bolden's various groups between 1897  
> and 1906. An analysis of these works showed that by far the largest  
> proportion (35%) were clearly of the black vernacular origin,  
> probably derived from earlier dance songs (jump ups) and  
> blues . . . ."
> "This seems also to describe compositions from Bolden's repertoire,  
> like 'Pretty Mama Open Your Legs One More Time" and "All The Whores  
> Go Crazy About The Way I Ride.
>
> Perhaps Dan and/or Igemar Wegeman with whom he discussed these  
> tunes can shed more light o the subject.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>
>
>
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