[Dixielandjazz] All the Girls Go Crazy

[tyleman]

It's a bit frustrating that Hardie doesn't quote a source for his
assertion. In another djml post, he quotes Danny Barker as the source
- even though Barker never heard the Bolden band, but Bunk, Ory and
Big Eye did, and none of them ever acknowledged the association to
Bolden.

It's also interesting that other than Hardie, there is no published
anecdotal evidence regarding the connection to Bolden.

It would be nice if Hardie would reveal his source material - whether
it is Hogan Jazz Archive interviews or what. I generally believe that
is the accepted modus operadi with scholarly research.

Regards,
Chris

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Stephen G Barbone
<barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> tyleman <tyleman at isp.com> wrote
>>
>> <barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a tune that was reputed to be part of Buddy Bolden's repertoire.
>>> The
>>> way I hear it, Ory changed the words and title thus getting credit by
>>> some
>>> sources for writing the tune.
>>
>> According to what source, Steve? It's not mentioned in Don Marquis'
>> book about Bolden (generally considered the definitive book on
>> Bolden), in the section dedicated to numbers the band played. There's
>> also no reference to it in the book "Hear Me Talkin' to You," the
>> compilation of interviews with various musicians from a variety of
>> sources, first published in 1955.
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> Source is Dan Hardie who posted on the DJML the following about it on April
> 3, 2004:
>
> The tune is generally regarded as part of the Bolden repertoire under
> the title All the Whores Go Crazy About the Way I Ride.  ( I think
> Danny Barker was the source of the information.) Wooden Joe Nicholas
> recorded it under that title on American Music AMCD 5. His is a bit
> rougher than the Bunk Johnson Yerba Buena one. (Witnesses said Bunk
> could never play loud and  rough  like Buddy.) I have been researching
> it for a current project and tried Googling it the other day but was
> advised only that  it was written by Ory which I doubt. I think it was
> origiinally one of the vernacular jump ups played by Bolden and others.
> I have not been able to get hold of a lyric so I would appreciate a
> copy of it and your lead sheet. I could perhaps comment  further then.
> I too would appreciate any other information list members can provide.
> best wishes
>  Dan Hardie
>
> IIn one of his books, Dan also states that the song was part of Bolden's
> repertoire. This from "The Ancestry of Jazz: A Musical Family by Daniel
> Hardie, 2004. Pages 191 and 192. (excerpts):
>
> ". . . there is a core of some 42 compositions that can reasonably said to
> have been performed by Bolden's various groups between 1897 and 1906. An
> analysis of these works showed that by far the largest proportion (35%) were
> clearly of the black vernacular origin, probably derived from earlier dance
> songs (jump ups) and blues . . . ."
> "This seems also to describe compositions from Bolden's repertoire, like
> 'Pretty Mama Open Your Legs One More Time" and "All The Whores Go Crazy
> About The Way I Ride.
>
> Perhaps Dan and/or Igemar Wegeman with whom he discussed these tunes can
> shed more light o the subject.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>
>
>
>
>
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