[Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Living in Denial about jazz

[Harry Callaghan]

 How temptiing it of course was to comment that the only one I knew of
living in denial, or at least by it, was Cleopatra.

However, I am instead rejoicing at the fact that Marviin, like myself, did
not like Coltrane.

Now, I'm not saying that this is cause for he and I to go pick out furniture
together, but it suggests that we might inideed have hopes for a peaceful
co-existence, maybe like in the case of Korea, a war that never officially
ended but just took a brief rest (of over 50 years)

In any case, again not appointing myself as the sole authority on the
subject,  I invite anyone who is familiar with Miles Davis "Kind of Blue"
recorded in March & April of 1959 to also give a listen to a Cannonball
Adderley album entitled "Somethin' Else", recorded in March 1958.

Through the years, i have heard of many, including Q, who regard the former
as possibly the greatest jazz album ever recorded.

The personnel is completely different, save for the fact that Adderley
appears on both albums.  I have always enjoyed the latter far more, and I
attribute that to the absence of Coltrane, who was on the Davis album

I hope I have not made it too confusing.......I refer to former and latter
as to when originally mentioned, not according to recording dates.

It's not a case of right or wrong, and there's no prize, simply one man's
humble (?) opinon.

Tides
HC

  On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Stephen G Barbone <
barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> Marvin Ipswich wrote: (polite snip)
>>
>>
>> I personally don't like Coltrane or Ornette, but I have heard their music.
>> It doesn't mean I "live in denial." What a strange thing to write. I don't
>> like hip hop or rap. I know it's out there, I don't deny that, but I could
>> care less who likes it, how popular it is, or how important other people
>> think it is. I don't subscribe to the mass mentality. Do people who don't
>> listen to early jazz, classical music, country western, "live in denial?"
>> I
>> don't think so. Maybe they're never had a chance to hear any of these
>> forms
>> of music. How many people have knowledge of or like Greek music? Music
>> from
>> the Middle East? Bulgarian folk music? I wonder how many Americans have
>> actually heard any of these types of music? Doesn't mean they deny they
>> exist.
>>
>> You or anyone else can wag your finger at me, tell me I'm a "moldy fig"
>> because I don't like "modern jazz," and my response is "so what?" Because
>> I
>> prefer Bechet to Coltrane, Armstrong to Miles Davis, Morton to Cecil
>> Taylor,
>> I know what I like and could care less whether I am or not "hip." It's the
>> same stance I've had since I was in high school. Believe it or not, people
>> can actually live their lives without having a vested interest in what
>> their
>> neighbors, colleagues, friends, etc. like or dislike.
>>
>
> Oh Dear Marvin:
>
> Either you misunderstand what I wrote, or I didn't make it clear.
>
> "Living in denial" as I thought I used it, about Coltrane or Ornette
> Coleman does not equate to not liking them.  Obviously ones likes and
> dislikes are personal opinions which  we all have and are entitled to them.
> Nor does it mean a denial of their very existence.
>
> What I meant by "living in denial" about them was the oft quoted rantings
> of jazz "fans" who insist that what they play is "not jazz". Those fans are
> living in denial about "jazz". Simple as that.
>
> So rest assured, nobody, least of all me, is wagging a finger at you and
> nobody, least of all me, cares whether you are hip or not. In fact I agree
> completely with your very last sentence and always have.
>
> The operative words in what I wrote were:
>
> For there are those among us who live in denial
>> about certain forms of modern jazz (bop, avant garde, fusion etc) or
>> live in denial about certain players (Coltrane, Ornette Coleman
>> etc.,). Those forms or players are to them "Not Jazz". And to them,
>> the totally written out music being played by the young maestros would
>> not be jazz either.
>>
>
> I don't see how that could possibly apply to you unless you are among those
>  who deny what they play is jazz.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>
>
>
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