[Dixielandjazz] St Louis Happenings

eupher dude eupher61 at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 14 13:41:15 PST 2011


Banjos and Brass (www.banjosandbrass.yolasite.com)  will be at Grand Slam Sports Bar and Grill in Fenton, MO, this Sunday, 1/16, from 5-8 pm.  We hope this will
be a regular, weekly gig.  The website may not be updated yet...

We will also be on KTVI Fox2 News at 9am Monday, 1/17.  We're not sure which segment, at this point.  If it gets to their website I'll post a link.

Red Lehr, Bobby Grimm, Steve Lilly, and others will be performing on the St Louis Low Brass Collective Gala Concert 1/18.  The Low Brass Collective 
brings together trombone, euphonium, and tuba players for education, entertainment, and enjoyment.  This is a free concert, open to the public, at the Sheldon Concert
Hall in St Louis, on Grand Ave near the Fox Theater and Powell Symphony Hall.  There will be performances by other low brass players and groups as well.

steve hoog

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>    1. ODJB Columbia Recording - was - Sweet Figlio (Stephen G Barbone)
>    2. Re: Dixieland (Harry Callaghan)
>    3. For Those Who Want to Support Jazz (Gluetje1 at aol.com)
>    4. Deipetos Dixie Disaster (Gluetje1 at aol.com)
>    5. Re: Dixieland (Don Ingle)
>    6.  R.I.P. Ray Kaart (Bert Brandsma)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:46:49 -0500
> From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] ODJB Columbia Recording - was - Sweet Figlio
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> Somehow, the story about that Columbia recording keeps surfacing.  
> Perhaps both Anton and Jack are right. Below snip from  http://www.redhotjazz.com/odjb.html 
> , a source which is usually accurate.
> 
> "the record "Livery Stable Blues", coupled with "Dixie Jass Band One  
> Step" became the first Jazz record ever released on February 26, 1917  
> for the Victor Talking Machine Company. It was wildly successful. Its  
> release signaled the beginning of the Jazz age and helped define the  
> wild, exuberent era we call the "Roaring Twenties". The Original  
> Dixieland Jazz Band had recorded for Columbia in January 1917, but the  
> session was unsuccessful and the band had to come back and re-record  
> the songs, thus the release of the Columbia sides did not come about  
> until after the amazing success of the Victor records."
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:56:19 -0600
> From: Harry Callaghan <meetmrcallaghan at gmail.com>
> To: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dixieland
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> Whether you tend to agree or disagree with Steve, Pat, Marvin, Marek or
> myself, I  would never question this guy IMO, he's been around a lot longer
> than all of us.
> 
> HC
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Stephen G Barbone <
> barbonestreet at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> >
> > performance of a song is what places it in a jazz or not category.>>
> >>
> >> Twas ever thus. This from Humph Lyttleton `It just occured to me`
> >> This was in response by Ellington to critics of Ellingtons Concerts in
> >> 1958 `that they did not contain enough jazz`
> >> "When Armstrong plays `Pennies from Heaven` or Hawkins plays `Body and
> >> Soul`, they call it jazz.
> >> When Duke Ellington plays Ellington they say it is not.
> >> I don`t understand that"
> >>
> >> Humph also makes the point that  the Cotton Club where Ellingtons Band
> >> presided....was redolent with jazz. Yet many of the performers, Florence
> >> Mills, Ethel Waters,Bojangles Robinson, Adelaide Hall would not now be
> >> acknowledged as jazz artists at all.
> >>
> >> Just to stir the pot.
> >>
> >
> > Well said/stirred Pat:
> >
> > Kenny Davern often said "to try and define jazz is a masturbatory
> > exercise". Jazz means different things to different people depending upon
> > the filters of our minds.
> >
> > IMO Jazz is musical freedom. (I think Armstrong may have said that half a
> > century ago).
> >
> > IMO there are no absolutes. For example it is not ALWAYS the performance of
> > a song that places it in a jazz or not category. Proof of that? The jazz
> > tunes that have been written specifically as jazz. Songs that Thelonious
> > Monk wrote. Songs that Charlie Parker wrote etc., ad infinitum. They are
> > jazz no matter who plays them how.
> >
> > Heck, I'm not even sure that Bourbon Street Parade written around 1944 does
> > not fit into the written specifically for jazz category.
> >
> > Other areas where absolutes go to die are exemplified by the jazz tunes
> > written these days that have no room for improvisation. The scores,
> > including solos, are completely written out and played as written. The
> > composers and musicians call it jazz. They are performed in the hipper jazz
> > environs of New York, New Orleans, Stockholm, Berlin, Rome and other cities
> > throughout the world.
> >
> > Not sure about London Pat, what say you? <grin>
> >
> > Regarding Ellington, he often said much of what he wrote and played was not
> > Jazz. By the late 1930s, he was calling it "Negro Music". So perhaps Humph
> > should have cut those who agreed with Ellington a break? <grin>
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Steve Barbone
> > www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Beware of Greeks bearing gifts
>       - Vergil: The Aeneid Book II
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:49:02 EST
> From: Gluetje1 at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] For Those Who Want to Support Jazz
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> If we support jazz, it might be more worthwhile than debate to  look at 
> such as what's happened to the Brisbane, Aus Jazz Club and ask what this  list 
> might do to assist.
>  
> >_http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=271454&id=152952768421&fbid=48467080
> 3421_ 
> (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=271454&id=152952768421&fbid=484670803421) <
>  
> Ginny
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:15:09 EST
> From: Gluetje1 at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Deipetos Dixie Disaster
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> Check this band out on YouTube.  Did not take me a minute of even one  tune 
> to know I enjoy them.  Excuse the expression, but I think  They Rock!
>  
> Ginny
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:41:54 -0500
> From: Don Ingle <cornet at 1010internet.com>
> To: Harry Callaghan <meetmrcallaghan at gmail.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dixieland
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> On 1/14/2011 10:27 AM, Harry Callaghan wrote:
> > Well, I maintained that I would not get involved in this ridiculous
> > conversation but since Pat made reference to "stirring the pot", I guess I
> > could add something to the recipe.........although quite frankly, I would
> > call it a cauldron rather than a pot, as what we have here is more like a
> > witch's brew.
> >
> > Make no mistake about it now, I am not setting myself up as any authority to
> > believe that I am any more qualified than Steve, Marek, Marvin or yourself
> > as to defining what is dixieland and what is not.
> >
> > I am only providing an example related to the subject
> >
> > I have been a big fan of Teresa Brewer since her first hit record "Music,
> > Music, Music" which she first recorded on the London label in 1950 with a
> > dixieland band  (mattafact, the 78 even lists the personnel on the record
> > label)
> >
> > I know she recorded it when she was on Coral and then at least once again
> > when she was on her husband Bob Thiele's label (and possibly even more than
> > that) but never as good as the original.
> >
> > I happen to subscribe to the old theory (musically or otherwise) "If it
> > ain't broke, why try to fix it?"
> >
> > I acquired an excellent album that she recorded with Mercer Ellington's
> > Orchestra and sometime later one with the World's Greatest
> > JazzBand.,selections from which I have played on my program
> >
> > On commenting upon her performance with both to Radio OKOM Program Director
> > Bruce McNichols (a dixieland bandleader since 1964 and a friend since 1954)
> > I was met with "But she's not a jazz singer";............to which, I say
> > "Who cares?"
> >
> > If Maria Callas or Renata Tibaldi recorded a song that I like, I would play
> > it and quite likely enjoy it........my point being.......Why must we have to
> > classify or categorize something?   I get the idea from some subscribers
> > here (and I see no need in mentioning their  names) that they almost
> > consider it sinful to listen to something if it is not their precious
> > "OKOM".   If they post something to the list, that they apparently believe
> > would be of some interest to other subscribers, they seem to feel the need
> > to apoloize for it with an opening like "It's not really OKOM"
> >
> > Radio OKOM is basically a trad/dixie internet radio station   However, when
> > I signed on back in 2002 it was with the understanding that I  would play
> > anything I wanted to on my programs and continue to do so.
> >
> > If you don't think it would be sacreligious or a threat to national
> > security, I invite you to log onto okom.com for "Callaghan's Corner" 7a&
> > 7p, Saturdays and Sundays
> > Those are Eastern times; if you reside in another zone,I leave you to do the
> > math.
> >
> > But I warn you, I could slip  in a little Chopin when you're not looking
> >
> > As to those who might not like what I offer, Radio OKOM has 11 other program
> > providers 24/7 whose musical offerings are considerably more  "OKOM" which I
> > hope you would enjoy
> >
> > This really took a lot out of me.  It is questionable as to whether I'll now
> > have the energy to visit any of my favorite porn websites for the remainder
> > of the day..
> >
> > Thank you for your attention to the preceding
> >
> > Tides
> > HC.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Pat Ladd<pj.ladd at btinternet.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> performance of a song is what places it in a jazz or not category.>>
> >>
> >> Twas ever thus. This from Humph Lyttleton `It just occured to me`
> >> This was in response by Ellington to critics of Ellingtons Concerts in 1958
> >> `that they did not contain enough jazz`
> >> "When Armstrong plays `Pennies from Heaven` or Hawkins plays `Body and
> >> Soul`, they call it jazz.
> >> When Duke Ellington plays Ellington they say it is not.
> >> I don`t understand that"
> >>
> >> Humph also makes the point that  the Cotton Club where Ellingtons Band
> >> presided....was redolent with jazz. Yet many of the performers, Florence
> >> Mills, Ethel Waters,Bojangles Robinson, Adelaide Hall would not now be
> >> acknowledged as jazz artists at all.
> >>
> >> Just to stir the pot.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Pat
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> Actually Teresa could be a fine jazz-oriented singer, and certainly gave 
> due respect to Mr. Waller's song list in here album, "Love ya Fats." 
> Swung hard and enthusiastic - but then with material like that who could 
> not.  (Admittedly there is some prejudice here since she was from 
> Toledo, hometown of mon pere, Red Ingle. He loved the great "belters" 
> and when he heard her the first time he said..."son, there's a natural 
> 'belter.' I have long since agreed. Sure, she didn't bill herself as a 
> "jazz singer," but neither did many others whose style was jazz at 
> heart, from Crosby
> to Bennett. One man's opinion - and like a nose we all have one!
> Don Ingle
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:46:05 +0000
> From: Bert Brandsma <mister_bertje at hotmail.com>
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz]  R.I.P. Ray Kaart
> Message-ID: <COL110-W363BC5C28C97C2D13B30968AF30 at phx.gbl>
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> 
> 
> Just recieved the sad news that trumpet player Ray Kaart died yesterday, age 77.
> In the 1960 he played trumpet with the Dutch Swing College Band.His brother was trombonist Dick Kaart.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_cFGdmLLg4
> 
> R.I.P.
> Bert Brandsma 		 	   		  
> 
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