[Dixielandjazz] Stirring the pot

[Rick]

Well, gee.   A voice from over the sea!!

I think you guys do a good job of imitating jazz.

Sorry, Joe.  Stay over there and have your illusions.

We know what Jazz is, we know what (where) Dixie 
is, and we don't need some Limey to explain it to us.

I'm not saying you guys CAN'T play our music... 
you do a pretty good job.   But don't pretend it's 
anything but Yankee music, OK?

I already gave some examples of Frogs and Beaners 
playing this music and they do a good job.  I love 
it!!!

AND THEY HAVE A GOOD TIME DOING IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Cant we just have fun?

Rick



On 1/16/2011 4:51 PM, Joe Carbery wrote:
> Re definitions and other things:
> "Dixieland" (as applied to music) conjures up 
> for me a group of portly grey-haired men in 
> straw boaters (I forget what the appropriate US 
> term is), striped waistcoats and sleeve-gartered 
> shirts playing multi themed tunes too fast and 
> with absolutely no feeling. I know Condon's 
> music was described as dixieland but he loathed 
> the term.
> "Trad Jazz" was a term coined by publicists in 
> Britain to describe a very commercial type of 
> "traditional" jazz, typified by strident banjos 
> and an attempt to bend all sorts of tunes ( 
> e.g."March of the Siamese Children") to its 
> idiom in an effort to have a pop-chart hit. Like 
> all such attempts to popularize jazz 
> (boogie-woogie, the later ragtime revival 
> fuelled by "The Sting"), it quickly ran out of 
> momentum because the impetus for growth came not 
> from within the music itself but from the 
> publicists and ad-men.
> The term "Trad" was misappropriated and 
> misapplied in the US as a shorthand for 
> Traditional Jazz and leads to confusion. It's 
> like the anatomical term "fanny" as used to mean 
> different things in the US and the rest of the 
> English speaking world.
> With regard to Steve Barbone saying certain 
> tunes are jazz tunes by definition: A tune is 
> not jazz until it's played. On the paper it's 
> not a jazz tune. "It ain't what you 
> do.........." Or, as Bill Evans said, "Jazz is a 
> how, not a what."
> Re "Jazz Instruments" the same criterion 
> applies. Any instrument can be used to play jazz 
> if the instrumentalist is skilled enough.
> Best Wishes,
> Joe Carbery.
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rick 
> <rickz at usermail.com <mailto:rickz at usermail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Dixie?   OKOM??
>
>     Here's Jimmie Rodgers, doing "Any Old Time"
>     in 1929.
>
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBWoaRWHrM
>
>      It starts with the typical guitar that we
>     associate with JR and then...
>
>     Holy Smoke!!   Here's a ?Dixieland Band??  
>     I think It's dixie!
>
>     One of my favorites.   I had an arrangement
>     of "Waiting for a Train" for the Colorado
>     Nighthawks, but we never did it.
>
>     Rick .
>
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