[Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny Goodman, Teddy Wilson, Jess Stacy)

Harry Callaghan meetmrcallaghan at gmail.com
Sat Aug 14 09:55:34 PDT 2010 

In summation as to the discussion of musicians' movie bios,

With reference to the inaccuracies described in the "Gene Krupa Story", I
refer
you to Bob Ringwald's remark yesterday as to the lack of authenticity in
"The Glenn Miller Story"........that probably pretty much sums it up for all
of them

And as to Hal Vickey's remark about "The Fabulous Dorseys", we know that was
all a heap of crap.  The movie gave you the impression that in 1947
everything was all peace and harmony between the brothers whereas we know
they were estranged from the time of Tommy's walkout in 1935 until they got
back together in 1953  They quite obviously just made the movie for the
money and to add insult to injury, played themselves in the movie rather
than having accomplished actors doing so.

I believe the true mark of a poor actor is one who cannot even be convincing
when portraying himself.

Incidentally, if you happen to remember the tune "Sisters" from "White
Christmas" (also recorded by Rosemary and Betty Clooney), Irving Berlin
wrote special lyrics for it for the Dorseys which they recorded under the
title "Brothers"

I happen to have a copy of it and suspect that it is quite rare as it was
recorded on the Bell label, not distributed to record stores but rather drug
& variety stores. At the time the suggested retail price for singles was 89
cents, Bell records were pre-priced at 39 cents.

Tides
HC


On 8/14/10, Hal Vickery <hvickery_80 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> NO biopic of a swing era musician was as bad as "The Fabulous Dorseys."
>
> Hal Vickery
>
> > From: vinnyn at verizon.net
> > To: hvickery_80 at msn.com
> > CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny Goodman, Teddy
> Wilson, Jess Stacy)
> > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:27:21 -0400
> >
> >
> > I think that scene is when he first arrives in NY.
> > When I was a kid I would sit glued to the television just to catch the
> > musical sequences (still enjoy the drumming on them) but of all the Big
> Band
> > Bio Pics the Gene Krupa Story is close to rock bottom in terms of
> accuracy
> > of the mans life, awful script and acting.
> > Well I guess it's a toss up between this and the Dorsey Bros bio pic.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> > [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Hal Vickery
> > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:12 AM
> > To: Vinny
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny Goodman, Teddy
> > Wilson, Jess Stacy)
> >
> >
> > I haven't seen "The Gene Krupa Story" in decades, but I seem to remember
> a
> > scene where Sal Mineo as Gene arrives at an apartment where a bunch of
> > musicians are gathered.  From the chronology of the story, it probably
> would
> > have been in the mid-'30s.  The host introduces one of the
> musicians:  You
> > know Bix Beiderbecke, don't you?"  The odd thing was that Bix was on his
> > feet instead of flat on his back six feet underground.
> >
> > Hal Vickery
> >
> > > From: vinnyn at verizon.net
> > > To: hvickery_80 at msn.com
> > > CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny Goodman,
> Teddy
> > Wilson, Jess Stacy)
> > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:11:18 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I still can't understand why Hollywood had to fabricate these stories
> (BG
> > > Glenn and Gene) when the actual life stories are fascinating to begin
> > with.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> > > [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Hal
> Vickery
> > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:44 PM
> > > To: Vinny
> > > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny Goodman,
> Teddy
> > > Wilson, Jess Stacy)
> > >
> > >
> > > In the case of the Goodman story, the phrase made more sense.  It led
> to
> > his
> > > naming "Don't Be That Way" as they were making out the program for the
> > > Carnegie Hall Concert (notwithstanding the fact that the song had been
> > > recorded by Chick Webb years before).  As I've already mentioned, I
> prefer
> > > Allen's line, which he says at least a couple of times to Donna Reed,
> "Do
> > > you like hot music?"
> > >
> > > As for "Honestly Glenn," I think that stemmed from the fact that he was
> > > driven by his pursuit of "the sound" to the point that he was oblivious
> to
> > > everything, like June Allison was already engaged, etc.
> > >
> > > The Glenn Miller bio made for a better movie given the circumstances of
> > his
> > > death.  The Goodman biopic had to manufacture the fake falling in love
> > > process between Goodman and Alice.  No previous marriage, no kids, no
> > > getting married a few weeks after meeting.
> > >
> > > Hal Vickery
> > >
> > > > From: vinnyn at verizon.net
> > > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:47:08 -0400
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny Goodman,
> > Teddy
> > > Wilson, Jess Stacy)
> > > > CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > > > To: hvickery_80 at msn.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never understood why both "The Glenn Miller Story" and "The Benny
> > > Goodman
> > > > Story" had to have a catch phrase in them.
> > > >
> > > > In the BG picture some one always say's "Ah Benny DON'T BE THAT WAY"
> > > > In The Miller Bio June Allison's constantly saying "Honestly Glenn"
> > > >
> > > > Gotta admit though the music scenes in both films (and the Krupa bio
> > too,
> > > a
> > > > dog of film BTW} still knock me out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> > > > [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Harry
> > > Callaghan
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Vinny
> > > > Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dick Hyman with BG (was Benny
> Goodman,Teddy
> > > > Wilson, Jess Stacy)
> > > >
> > > > As movie bios go, usually highly fictionalized, I have to admit I
> rather
> > > > enjoyed "The Benny Goodman Story" and particularly the manner in
> which
> > > Steve
> > > > Allen and Donna Reed portrayed James Stewart and June Allyson.
> > > >
> > > > HC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/13/10, Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Harry Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > > ........while I have the LP with Rosie that you describe here, it
> is
> > > > > > not the one I was referring to with Hyman on piano........ it
> > > > > > could have been a Capitol EP....
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Harry,
> > > > > You have me stumped (a cricket term).
> > > > > Dick Hyman recorded with BG for Capitol, on the two days
> immediately
> > > > > following the Rosemary Clooney Columbia date.
> > > > > However, the two sessions featured the orchestra only. (Bobby
> > Donaldson
> > > > was
> > > > > on drums.)
> > > > > The album was released in conjuction with the film, "The Benny
> Goodman
> > > > > Story".
> > > > > It was reissued on CD by Capitol in 1995 with 5 bonus tracks. (I
> have
> > > > > this).
> > > > > The sides were released on EP.
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > Bill.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> never
> > > > were and say why not            -
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