[Dixielandjazz] Joe Avery's Piece (was Panama ... Gut Bucket Ending)
David M Richoux
tubaman at tubatoast.com
Thu Oct 8 22:55:47 PDT 2009
The way I heard it, the piece was dedicated to New Orleans Brass Band
leader Joe Avery, sometime around 1900. A full search of the DJML
archives should turn something up - I have lost big parts of my
personal archived DJML postings in a recent crash. Don't know who
actually wrote it.
Dave Richoux
On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:25 PM, <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com> <richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com
> wrote:
> Remembering that some out there like to study original scores and
> then make up their own minds how to add variations and arrangements
> why not gut bucket endings for Panama. Panama Waltz anyone?
> I'd like to hear Rollins do this. He might be onto something didn't
> Miller add the beginning to Basin St.
>
> Joe Avery's Piece (why called) ~ was Joe's baldness exposed on a
> parade.
>
> For those against further Panama postings (I'm sure it's about to
> end), I've noticed lurkers or nr lurkers appearing including myself.
> I've even had private messages (and most welcome there were too).
>
> Richard (now Panama Red)
>
>
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>> 1. Panama early versions. (Stephen G Barbone)
>> 2. Re: Much More Panama (dwlit at cpcug.org)
>> 3. Re: The Second Line (pj.ladd)
>> 4. Ragtime Revisited Review on Walter Love?s BBC Jazz Club -
>> Unashamed Plug! (John Petters)
>> 5. Re: The Second Line (David M Richoux)
>> 6. No mas Panana, por favor. (Don Ingle)
>> 7. Re: More PANAMA (richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com)
>> 8. Re: More PANAMA (Robert Ringwald)
>> 9. Second Line (Bruce Stangeland)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:58:16 -0400
>> From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Panama early versions.
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>> List Mates:
>>
>> To hear 3 early versions of Tyler's Panama, go to: (Library of
>> Congress)
>>
>> http://memory.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/search?sort=titlesort&view=thumbnail&query=Panama+sound+recording&search_button=GO
>>
>> Note: I could only bring up[ numbers 1, 2 5 and 6. And the 6th
>> version
>> is Seymour's Panama Rag.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Barbone
>> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: dwlit at cpcug.org
>> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Much More Panama
>> Message-ID: <2805.216.99.241.204.1255018509.squirrel at www.cpcug.org>
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>> The Real "Panama Rag" is nothing like "Panama"--I found it on one
>> of the
>> music library sites and was definitely interested in it.
>>
>> --Cheek
>>
>>> then play "Panama" I shall scream.
>>>
>>> Being of a British persuasion, I thought I better make sure
>>> I know what is what. So I did some searching and now
>>> have no idea :-)
>>>
>>> I've listened to the Professor Bill MIDI file of Panama,
>>> which I assume really is Panama. I then did a video
>>> search for Panama Rag, which turned up this lot :-
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y9uesp5
>>>
>>> Having listened to several of these, they all sound like
>>> the Prof. Bill Panama (They are still worth a listen
>>> though ;^)
>>>
>>> So what does Panama Rag sound like? We have no chance of getting
>>> things right when there is so much evidence pointing at the wrong
>>> thing GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out)
>>>
>>> Andy Ling
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:17:04 +0100
>> From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
>> To: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] The Second Line
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>> Thank you to all who offered lead sheets for Second Line.
>>
>> Printed out safely.
>>
>> Pat
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:45:11 +0100
>> From: John Petters <jdpetters at btinternet.com>
>> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Ragtime Revisited Review on Walter Love?s
>> BBC
>> Jazz Club - Unashamed Plug!
>> Message-ID: <4ACE2527.4050005 at btinternet.com>
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>> Hi Folks,
>> Acknowledged jazz expert & presenter, Walter Love, gave
>> considerable airtime to our new 'Ragtime Revisited' DVD/CD box set
>> (Martin Litton - John Petters & James Evans) on Sunday?s Jazz Club
>> broadcast on BBC Radio Ulster.
>>
>> Like Paul Barnes (The Late Paul Barnes - BBC Radio for the Eastern
>> Counties) the previous week, he chose the opening track, ?Grandpa?
>> s Spells?, and followed this with the only new composition on the
>> album, ?Cinnabar Rag?, composed by James Evans, inspired by the
>> life cycle of the Cinnabar Moth.
>>
>> Walter concluded his review with Joplin?s ?Elite Syncopations?.
>>
>> The box set comprising an audio cd and a dvd is available on line at:
>> http://www.traditional-jazz.com/mainpages/popup/1037.htm
>> Watch the 10 minute preview video here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/v/euQaMe6G2uo
>>
>> Other items of interest in the show were reviews of the new Lake CD
>> by the Chris Barber Band with Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee.
>> Catch the show on BBC Iplayer at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n487j/Jazz_Club_04_10_2009/
>>
>> It will be available until Sunday. If you?ve not listened to Walter?
>> s show, I can thoroughly recommend it ? an hour of listening
>> pleasure.
>>
>> Don't forget Paul's latest offering :
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p004jvgr
>> Keep swinging
>> John Petters
>>
>> --
>> John Petters
>> www.traditional-jazz.com
>> Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:51:51 -0700
>> From: David M Richoux <tubaman at tubatoast.com>
>> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] The Second Line
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>> Hope this does not drag out as much as Panama/Panama Rag thread, but
>> there are two very different New Orleans songs that are sometimes
>> called "Second Line" - one is more correctly named "Joe Avery's
>> Piece" (or a bunch of other names that have been mentioned on DJML
>> before) and the other is "Barbarin's Second Line"
>> http://new.music.yahoo.com/onward-brass-band/tracks/paul-barbarins-second-line--725003
>> is just one example.
>> http://redwing.lassecollin.se/sounds/joeaveryspiece.html is a
>> slightly
>> non-standard version of "Joe Avery."
>>
>> So if you are playing either one, be sure to agree which "2nd Line"
>> it
>> is - in my experience as a tuba player, it makes a whole lot of
>> difference!
>>
>> Dave Richoux
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:17 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you to all who offered lead sheets for Second Line.
>>>
>>> Printed out safely.
>>>
>>> Pat
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:18:18 -0400
>> From: Don Ingle <cornet at 1010internet.com>
>> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] No mas Panana, por favor.
>> Message-ID: <4ACE2CEA.3000509 at 1010internet.com>
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>> "There comes a time in the life of every man when he must have
>> something
>> to believe in.
>> I believe I'll have another drink!"
>> So wrote the prince of all curmudgeons, W.C. Fields. He might well
>> have
>> written that after a week of reading more than one would ever want to
>> know about the melody "Panama."
>> Is it possible that that there might be other subjects worthy of
>> our eye
>> strain we have not yet touched on. I can now understand how
>> curmudgeonship might be achieved. By my count we have had near record
>> postings on the subject, yet outside of a handful of alternate posts,
>> most have gotten to be redundant on the Panamanian subject.
>> Considering the Great Mr Field's wisdom, I have decided to favor the
>> delete button so as to swiftly get to "another drink!"
>> I know, gripe, gripe, gripe. But all things considered,
>> I'd favor being waterboarded over another week of Panama!
>>
>> Don (waiting for the first snowy flakes to fall in Michigan) Ingle
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:22:43 -0400
>> From: <richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>> Cc: dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing
>> List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] More PANAMA
>> Message-ID: <20091008182243.X1HT9.305716.root at cdptpa-web05-z02>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>> Hi All DJMLer's!
>>
>> I struggled with PANAMA for a long time and finally put together
>> what I call the "complete" version, using sources that are
>> available in both printed and recorded format, at least the normal
>> ones I could find. It consists of five 5)strains up front, with a
>> mid key- change from Eb to Ab, a rpeat of the second strain except
>> in Eb (sometimes used for solos) and then the final, usual
>> descending last chorus repeated twice with the "gut-bucket
>> trombone" ending.
>>
>> I figured that, with all the different srtains thrown in together,
>> a guy could at least get thru the tune no matter what format the
>> band does!! Most bands do not use all 5 strains and tend to mix up
>> the format in different ways and keys - my version gives a
>> substitute player at least a fighting chance!!
>>
>> Would be happy to sen a copy to any one off list if interested.
>>
>> Rich Skrika, Piano
>> richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:46:23 -0700
>> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] More PANAMA
>> Message-ID: <F31D908756284A3E9F6E3FF8AAEE8466 at hplap>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi All DJMLer's!
>>>
>>> I struggled with PANAMA for a long time and finally put together
>>> what I call the "complete" version, using sources that are
>>> available in both printed and recorded format, at least the normal
>>> ones I could find. It consists of five 5)strains up front, with a
>>> mid key- change from Eb to Ab, a rpeat of the second strain except
>>> in Eb (sometimes used for solos) and then the final, usual
>>> descending last chorus repeated twice with the "gut-bucket
>>> trombone" ending.
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>> "gut-bucket trombone" ending"?
>>
>>
>> I don't believe I have ever heard a gut bucket ending on Panama.
>> Are you sure you are not thinking of "Muscrat Ramble?
>>
>> --Bob Ringwald
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:52:20 -0700
>> From: Bruce Stangeland <stangeland at earthlink.net>
>> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Second Line
>> Message-ID: <4ACE34E4.2050705 at earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I usually don't empty my deleted email folder until the end of each
>> year.
>> Would your deleted email still be in your "Trash" folder?
>>
>> Good hunting,
>>
>> Bruce Stangeland
>> Berkeley banjoist
>>
>> -------
>>
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>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:50:40 +0100
>> From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
>> To: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Second Line
>> Message-ID: <971A540BC3BC4E088A74F2E759A8CC02 at Patpc>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Someone who kindly sent me sheets for Dance at the Mardi gras and
>> Curse of an Aching heart offered to also send the dots for `Second
>> Line`
>>
>> Through finger trouble I deleted the post while trying to reply.
>>
>> Whever you are . Yes Please`
>>
>> Sorry for my stupidity
>>
>> Pat
>>
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