[Dixielandjazz] Panama ... Gut Bucket Ending
richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com
richard.flecknell at ntlworld.com
Thu Oct 8 15:25:35 PDT 2009
Remembering that some out there like to study original scores and then make up their own minds how to add variations and arrangements why not gut bucket endings for Panama. Panama Waltz anyone?
I'd like to hear Rollins do this. He might be onto something didn't Miller add the beginning to Basin St.
Joe Avery's Piece (why called) ~ was Joe's baldness exposed on a parade.
For those against further Panama postings (I'm sure it's about to end), I've noticed lurkers or nr lurkers appearing including myself. I've even had private messages (and most welcome there were too).
Richard (now Panama Red)
---- dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com wrote:
> Send Dixielandjazz mailing list submissions to
> dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> dixielandjazz-owner at ml.islandnet.com
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Dixielandjazz digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Panama early versions. (Stephen G Barbone)
> 2. Re: Much More Panama (dwlit at cpcug.org)
> 3. Re: The Second Line (pj.ladd)
> 4. Ragtime Revisited Review on Walter Love?s BBC Jazz Club -
> Unashamed Plug! (John Petters)
> 5. Re: The Second Line (David M Richoux)
> 6. No mas Panana, por favor. (Don Ingle)
> 7. Re: More PANAMA (richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com)
> 8. Re: More PANAMA (Robert Ringwald)
> 9. Second Line (Bruce Stangeland)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:58:16 -0400
> From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Panama early versions.
> Message-ID: <11BFD7B4-BFC0-4CDB-BAF2-E7FDB93049D5 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> List Mates:
>
> To hear 3 early versions of Tyler's Panama, go to: (Library of
> Congress)
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/search?sort=titlesort&view=thumbnail&query=Panama+sound+recording&search_button=GO
>
> Note: I could only bring up[ numbers 1, 2 5 and 6. And the 6th version
> is Seymour's Panama Rag.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: dwlit at cpcug.org
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Much More Panama
> Message-ID: <2805.216.99.241.204.1255018509.squirrel at www.cpcug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> The Real "Panama Rag" is nothing like "Panama"--I found it on one of the
> music library sites and was definitely interested in it.
>
> --Cheek
>
> > then play "Panama" I shall scream.
> >
> > Being of a British persuasion, I thought I better make sure
> > I know what is what. So I did some searching and now
> > have no idea :-)
> >
> > I've listened to the Professor Bill MIDI file of Panama,
> > which I assume really is Panama. I then did a video
> > search for Panama Rag, which turned up this lot :-
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/y9uesp5
> >
> > Having listened to several of these, they all sound like
> > the Prof. Bill Panama (They are still worth a listen
> > though ;^)
> >
> > So what does Panama Rag sound like? We have no chance of getting
> > things right when there is so much evidence pointing at the wrong
> > thing GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out)
> >
> > Andy Ling
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its
> > subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales.
> > Registration No: 4004913
> > Contact details for all Quantel Offices and Companies can be found on our
> > website www.quantel.com or by writing to the holding company.
> > Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United
> > Kingdom
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland Jazz
> > Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:
> >
> > http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
> >
> >
> >
> > Dixielandjazz mailing list
> > Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:17:04 +0100
> From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> To: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] The Second Line
> Message-ID: <4CE9D50E00E0459CA7112DB4410CEBD5 at Patpc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Thank you to all who offered lead sheets for Second Line.
>
> Printed out safely.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:45:11 +0100
> From: John Petters <jdpetters at btinternet.com>
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Ragtime Revisited Review on Walter Love?s BBC
> Jazz Club - Unashamed Plug!
> Message-ID: <4ACE2527.4050005 at btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Hi Folks,
> Acknowledged jazz expert & presenter, Walter Love, gave considerable airtime to our new 'Ragtime Revisited' DVD/CD box set (Martin Litton - John Petters & James Evans) on Sunday?s Jazz Club broadcast on BBC Radio Ulster.
>
> Like Paul Barnes (The Late Paul Barnes - BBC Radio for the Eastern Counties) the previous week, he chose the opening track, ?Grandpa?s Spells?, and followed this with the only new composition on the album, ?Cinnabar Rag?, composed by James Evans, inspired by the life cycle of the Cinnabar Moth.
>
> Walter concluded his review with Joplin?s ?Elite Syncopations?.
>
> The box set comprising an audio cd and a dvd is available on line at:
> http://www.traditional-jazz.com/mainpages/popup/1037.htm
> Watch the 10 minute preview video here:
> http://www.youtube.com/v/euQaMe6G2uo
>
> Other items of interest in the show were reviews of the new Lake CD by the Chris Barber Band with Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee.
> Catch the show on BBC Iplayer at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n487j/Jazz_Club_04_10_2009/
>
> It will be available until Sunday. If you?ve not listened to Walter?s show, I can thoroughly recommend it ? an hour of listening pleasure.
>
> Don't forget Paul's latest offering :
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p004jvgr
> Keep swinging
> John Petters
>
> --
> John Petters
> www.traditional-jazz.com
> Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:51:51 -0700
> From: David M Richoux <tubaman at tubatoast.com>
> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] The Second Line
> Message-ID: <AB7C890D-1CED-4101-9DB8-6952349A127A at tubatoast.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hope this does not drag out as much as Panama/Panama Rag thread, but
> there are two very different New Orleans songs that are sometimes
> called "Second Line" - one is more correctly named "Joe Avery's
> Piece" (or a bunch of other names that have been mentioned on DJML
> before) and the other is "Barbarin's Second Line"
> http://new.music.yahoo.com/onward-brass-band/tracks/paul-barbarins-second-line--725003
> is just one example.
> http://redwing.lassecollin.se/sounds/joeaveryspiece.html is a slightly
> non-standard version of "Joe Avery."
>
> So if you are playing either one, be sure to agree which "2nd Line" it
> is - in my experience as a tuba player, it makes a whole lot of
> difference!
>
> Dave Richoux
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:17 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> > Thank you to all who offered lead sheets for Second Line.
> >
> > Printed out safely.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland
> > Jazz Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:
> >
> > http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
> >
> >
> >
> > Dixielandjazz mailing list
> > Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:18:18 -0400
> From: Don Ingle <cornet at 1010internet.com>
> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] No mas Panana, por favor.
> Message-ID: <4ACE2CEA.3000509 at 1010internet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> "There comes a time in the life of every man when he must have something
> to believe in.
> I believe I'll have another drink!"
> So wrote the prince of all curmudgeons, W.C. Fields. He might well have
> written that after a week of reading more than one would ever want to
> know about the melody "Panama."
> Is it possible that that there might be other subjects worthy of our eye
> strain we have not yet touched on. I can now understand how
> curmudgeonship might be achieved. By my count we have had near record
> postings on the subject, yet outside of a handful of alternate posts,
> most have gotten to be redundant on the Panamanian subject.
> Considering the Great Mr Field's wisdom, I have decided to favor the
> delete button so as to swiftly get to "another drink!"
> I know, gripe, gripe, gripe. But all things considered,
> I'd favor being waterboarded over another week of Panama!
>
> Don (waiting for the first snowy flakes to fall in Michigan) Ingle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:22:43 -0400
> From: <richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing
> List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] More PANAMA
> Message-ID: <20091008182243.X1HT9.305716.root at cdptpa-web05-z02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> Hi All DJMLer's!
>
> I struggled with PANAMA for a long time and finally put together what I call the "complete" version, using sources that are available in both printed and recorded format, at least the normal ones I could find. It consists of five 5)strains up front, with a mid key- change from Eb to Ab, a rpeat of the second strain except in Eb (sometimes used for solos) and then the final, usual descending last chorus repeated twice with the "gut-bucket trombone" ending.
>
> I figured that, with all the different srtains thrown in together, a guy could at least get thru the tune no matter what format the band does!! Most bands do not use all 5 strains and tend to mix up the format in different ways and keys - my version gives a substitute player at least a fighting chance!!
>
> Would be happy to sen a copy to any one off list if interested.
>
> Rich Skrika, Piano
> richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:46:23 -0700
> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] More PANAMA
> Message-ID: <F31D908756284A3E9F6E3FF8AAEE8466 at hplap>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> richard88jazz at nycap.rr.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi All DJMLer's!
> >
> > I struggled with PANAMA for a long time and finally put together what I call the "complete" version, using sources that are available in both printed and recorded format, at least the normal ones I could find. It consists of five 5)strains up front, with a mid key- change from Eb to Ab, a rpeat of the second strain except in Eb (sometimes used for solos) and then the final, usual descending last chorus repeated twice with the "gut-bucket trombone" ending.
> (snip)
>
>
> "gut-bucket trombone" ending"?
>
>
> I don't believe I have ever heard a gut bucket ending on Panama. Are you sure you are not thinking of "Muscrat Ramble?
>
> --Bob Ringwald
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4485 (20091006) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:52:20 -0700
> From: Bruce Stangeland <stangeland at earthlink.net>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Second Line
> Message-ID: <4ACE34E4.2050705 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Pat,
>
> I usually don't empty my deleted email folder until the end of each year.
> Would your deleted email still be in your "Trash" folder?
>
> Good hunting,
>
> Bruce Stangeland
> Berkeley banjoist
>
> -------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:50:40 +0100
> From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
> To: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Second Line
> Message-ID: <971A540BC3BC4E088A74F2E759A8CC02 at Patpc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Someone who kindly sent me sheets for Dance at the Mardi gras and Curse of an Aching heart offered to also send the dots for `Second Line`
>
> Through finger trouble I deleted the post while trying to reply.
>
> Whever you are . Yes Please`
>
> Sorry for my stupidity
>
> Pat
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland Jazz Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:
>
> http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
>
>
>
> Dixielandjazz mailing list
> Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>
>
> End of Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 82, Issue 13
> *********************************************
More information about the Dixielandjazz
mailing list