[Dixielandjazz] Brubeck....jazz or not?

[Hal Vickery]

Speaking as one who loves everything from the ODJB to at least some Ornette Coleman and John Coltrane, I have to agree with your last statement.

Hal Vickery
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  Interesting discussion re Brubeck vs. OKOM.

  I was in the opposite situation at one time at a Jazz club meeting in 
  Chicago.  I was the only one there who was a OKOM/Dixieland enthusiast and I 
  was firmly told "that isn't jazz. It's just a bunch of guys rehashing the 
  same old thing all the time."

  Now they didn't have much love for Brubeck either. He wasn't "modern" enough 
  for them either.

  I would think (and thought) there was room for all of us!  Ya pays your 
  money and ya takes yer cherce.

  Mart

  Martin D. McKay, (Designated Listener)


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  > >
  >> Picky, picky, picky. <grin>
  >
  > Right!
  >>
  >> If not jazz, then what? I know, no doubt you would call Brubeck "noise".
  >
  > No.  Quite musical, even if too bland to be jazz.
  >
  > But
  >> I think just about everyone else in the world calls it jazz.
  >
  > Isn't EVERYONE rather a lot of people?  I hark back to the mouldy old
  > days when "jazz" fans just rejected anything "modern."  Well, at least
  > by assocoation (by the time I discovered jazz, the worst part of the
  > war was over).  Besides, have you ever heard of "brainwashing?"  I
  > srongly recommend Orwell's "1984" on this subject.
  >
  >>What is there
  >> in his music that does not fit the definition of jazz?
  >
  > I don't wish to go back to the "cool" vs. "hot" dispute.
  >
  > And if Desmond and
  >> Morello are not jazz musicians, nobody is.
  >
  > In a free world, everybody is allowed an opinion, even if i don't agree 
  > with it.
  >
  > Must stop now and get ready for the last day of the Caesarea Jazz
  > Festival.  Yesterday (ended today, of course), with the International
  > Swing Quintet (every member from a different country: Finland, Sweden,
  > Roumania, UK and USA) and the Israeli Swing de Gitanes, was wonderful.
  > Is the Swing de Gitanes good?  Ask John Cocuzzi who was so impressed
  > as to get on stage and sing with the band!  And promised to join it
  > again today, on snare drum (no piano od vibes on the promenade stage
  > where it plays).
  > And waht a beautiful sunset!
  >
  >
  > Cheers.
  >>
  >
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