[Dixielandjazz] Making Love to the Audience

[Ron Wheeler]

Tip to Jim Kashishian:  Never try to get the last word with a Philadelphia
Lawyer.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com 
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen G Barbone
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 19:22
> To: Ron Wheeler
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Making Love to the Audience
> 
> 
> Sorry Jim, I cannot leave it there when you quote me out of context,  
> and attempt to spin what I said to your liking.  Besides, as the one  
> challenged, I should have last word, no? <grin>
> 
> > "Jim Kashishian" <jim at kashprod.com> wrote full context
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> >> My statement (Barbone's) about "Making love to the audience"  
> >> contains no
> > sexual overtones unless folks choose to read something into it of  
> > their own
> > volition.
> >
> > What does "making love" mean then?  This is sounding like a  
> > Clintonian view
> > on the subject!
> >
> > Steve goes on to say:
> >> Can you not see the irony of your statement about sexual 
> overtones  
> >> that
> > apparently are offensive to you,
> >
> > Ha!  I wish the guys in my band could read that.  They certainly  
> > wouldn't
> > believe that I would be offended by such things.   :>
> >
> > Your original statement was: "musicians are egotistical. We are  
> > making love
> > to the audience."
> > You say it is "simply a figure of speech".  I say it is a poorly  
> > chosen
> > figure of speech. And, since it includes musicians in general, as  
> > some sort
> > of swooping statement, I felt the necessity to challenge it.
> >
> > I think we have now both expressed our sides of the argument, so  
> > let's leave
> > it there, please.
> 
> Jim, what I wrote in full context was:
> 
> 3) "Like it or not, musicians are egotistical. We are making love to  
> the audience. If there is no audience we are making love to  
> ourselves.  Kenny Davern put it into perspective in an oft repeated  
> quote; "For me (Davern) recording in studio is masturbatory. This  
> leads to #4 below:
> 
> 4) "Musicians feed off the energy the audience imparts. We 
> play better  
> when the crowd responds. we are more inventive, we challenge 
> ourselves  
> etc. We love the effect audience energy has on our brains 
> BTW, that's  
> why some musicians will play for very low wages, or even pay 
> to play.  
> (Spend their money to travel 100 miles to play free) We could 
> just as  
> easily play as often as we want in rehearsals in a garage and be  
> better off financially for it, but we crave audience validation."
> 
> Now if you feel it necessary to correct my American writing, of one  
> sentence out of the many above and tell me it is poorly 
> chosen, by all  
> means do so. But say what you mean in the beginning instead of 4  
> emails later, (as you finally do above while adding a new charge of  
> generalization).
> 
> And please, do not quote a tiny snip out of context and make a big  
> thing about it. That's simply a tactic that some people use 
> when they  
> simply want to pick nits and distort the issue. Read and 
> understand it  
> in context, then if you have a problem, do a "polite snip", which in  
> this case would be to quote #3 and #4 above,  retain the meaning in  
> context,  then challenge the sentence and/or generalization. I would  
> happily add "most"  between "not", and "musicians" in #3 
> above. But I  
> must admit that I have trouble believing that most people do not  
> understand what I said in context above.
> 
> If on the other hand you choose not to understand what I said as you  
> do in this e-mail asking; "What does 'Making Love' (to the audience)  
> mean?"  Look inward. You obviously know the answer. You described it  
> perfectly in your tome about your audience in Madrid.
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
> 
> 
> 
> 
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