[Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary of Arts for USA
BillSargentDrums at aol.com
BillSargentDrums at aol.com
Sun Jan 11 19:47:37 PST 2009
<<And I don't need to listen to your political opinions, and in the future
won't because I won't be here.
My next email to the list is the cancelation of my subscription.
Hal Vickery>>
Frankly, it must not have been that important for you to be here in the
first place, or you wouldn't have let something as trivial and inconsequential
get to you. Or maybe you're just trying to lay a guilt trip, or act like a
spoiled child or something.
Noticed however you really liked the TOTALLY off topic Killer Chili story
that had nothing whatsoever to do with OKOM or music.
I also notice how much you respect other people's opinions and their right
to freedom of speech and thought.
Anyway, have a great life. I certainly won't be begging you to stick around.
I totally meant what I said.
Bill
In a message dated 1/11/2009 9:09:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hvickery_80 at msn.com writes:
And I don't need to listen to your political opinions, and in the future
won't because I won't be here.
My next email to the list is the cancelation of my subscription.
Hal Vickery
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From: BillSargentDrums at aol.com<mailto:BillSargentDrums at aol.com>
To: hvickery_80 at msn.com<mailto:hvickery_80 at msn.com>
Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com<mailto:dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary of Arts for USA
<<Read MY post again. What I'm not interested in is your ad hominem attacks
against persons rather than the conditions. I'm also not interested in
your personal opinions of the causes of the economic downturn.>>
Frankly, nobody asked you if you were interested, and I, personally don't
care if you're interested.
There are TONS of posts here that don't interest me, and I don't respond to
them be telling the posted that I'm not interested.
Get a skin, suck it up, and use the delete button.
I'm too busy discussing the current economy and it's affect on gigs and trad
bands to babysit you.
By the way, my US Constitution still guarantees me free speech, and if I
think the guy's an idiot, I'm going to exercise my RIGHT to say so.
Don't poke at the mama bear with the cubs around . . . right now I'm one
ticked-off dude, who, due to the election rhetoric and the media bias, had 7
gigs in a 4 week period due to the "current economic crisis".
It didn't have to be that way, and the new future head dude ain't helpin'
none by telling everyone it's worse than expected and it's gonna last for
years. That's just plain dumb. Doesn't give the clients confidence in moving
forward.
Did you happen to track the number of New Year's Eve celebrations and
concerts that were cancelled?\
Theme parks are hurting. Wonder how long before the musicians at Mickey
World take a hit.
I know cruise ships that have canceled or dumped their bands.
Restaurants are hurting. While Mickey D's dollar menu skyrockets,
restaurants that hire bands are doing major cut-backs.
You are gonna see a huge ripple effect here. Those folks with RVs that
travel around the country to festivals and going to be doing that a lot less.
Many, if not most of them just lost huge percentages of their retirement nest
eggs.
Don't you dare think for one single minute that this isn't going to affect
OKOM . . . you just watch what happens to the attendance at most festivals
this coming year.
By the way, gas is not going to stay cheap. The current political situation
worldwide spells disasters on many fronts coming our way, and the new yahoos
and special interest groups are going to make very sure gas goes back up . .
. affecting your ability to travel and be hired affordably, and well as for
those who wish to hire bands from out of town.
OK, so there's the overview of the doom and gloom. Here's the bright side,
this will become more localized. Hence, if you have festivals within a
reasonable driving distance from where you live, you'll have a better chance of
being hired. Fewer bands from Chicago will be coming to Milwaukee to fill
corporate gigs.
AND, because there is a general lack of work out there, I find it easier to
fill my chairs with top musicians, not that I didn't get them before, but now
it's less complicated.
Also, really good bands like mine will continue to survive while less, more
lethargic offerings will be passed over.
But then again, the Rapture and Armageddon could happen and I won't have to
worry about anything anyway . . . it would all be a moot point.
:-)
Bill
Musical content: "I'll Fly Away" in New Orleans street funk fashion with a
very lengthy clarinet solo . . . yeah man with a very long drum solo just to
tick off the purists.
In a message dated 1/11/2009 7:43:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hvickery_80 at msn.com writes:
Read MY post again. What I'm not interested in is your ad hominem attacks
against persons rather than the conditions. I'm also not interested in your
personal opinions of the causes of the economic downturn. That has all the
potential of turning into a political debate complete with name calling, and I
don't come here for political debate. I get enough of that on the political
message board I help moderate.
Hal Vickery
----- Original Message -----
From: BillSargentDrums at aol.com<mailto:BillSargentDrums at aol.com>
To: hvickery_80 at msn.com<mailto:hvickery_80 at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary of Arts for USA
<<President-elect as an "idiot." That's taking it political, and I have no
interest in anyone's comment on any politician or on the general economic
downturn except as it impacts musicians.>>
The new incoming dude in the White House being an idiot DOES directly impact
musicians. Apparently, you were viewing my post with a filter as you did not
see how I pointed out HOW it affects musicians.
And, you are contradicting yourself here also, as you most certainly did
have an interest in it or you would not have taken the time to respond to it.
Bill
In a message dated 1/11/2009 1:01:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hvickery_80 at msn.com writes:
I have no problem with discussing the pros and cons of a Secretary of the
Arts. I do have problems with discussions on the causes of the economic
downturn in general and in referring to either the current President or the
President-elect as an "idiot." That's taking it political, and I have no interest
in anyone's comment on any politician or on the general economic downturn
except as it impacts musicians.
Hal Vickery
----- Original Message -----
From: BillSargentDrums at aol.com<mailto:BillSargentDrums at aol.com>
To: hvickery_80 at msn.com<mailto:hvickery_80 at msn.com>
Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com<mailto:dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary of Arts for USA
No. If it's pertinent to the topic, Secretary of the Arts, and it's
pertinent to gigs, and it's pertinent to performing music and our ability to do so,
and it's pertinent to who we can and cannot hire, or work with, or where we
can or cannot work, then it is ABSOLUTELY central to the topic . . . and, I
might add, central to the topic of this board.
I didn't see you complain about the suggestion of a Secretary of Arts, just
my response to it.
It is censorship that is party, some might even say, mainly to blame for the
predicament many bands and musicians are currently in and facing for the
near future.
You would be far better off to leave me alone and have my say than to rile
me up further and try to stifle me.
There, I've said what needed to be said, and if there's no further counter,
then I have nothing further to say.
Standing my ground on principles,
Bill
In a message dated 1/11/2009 9:35:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
hvickery_80 at msn.com writes:
Could we please cut out the political comments? I don't come here to read
the political views of others.
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