[Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary of Arts for USA

Sun Jan 11 18:37:23 PST 2009

<<Read MY post again.  What I'm not interested in is your ad  hominem attacks 
against persons rather than the conditions.  I'm also not  interested in your 
personal opinions of the causes of the economic  downturn.>>

Frankly, nobody asked you if you were interested, and I, personally don't  
care if you're interested.

There are TONS of posts here that don't interest me, and I don't respond to  
them be telling the posted that I'm not interested.

Get a skin, suck it up, and use the delete button.

I'm too busy discussing the current economy and it's affect on gigs and  trad 
bands to babysit you.

By the way, my US Constitution still guarantees me free speech, and if I  
think the guy's an idiot, I'm going to exercise my RIGHT to say so.

Don't poke at the mama bear with the cubs around . . . right now I'm one  
ticked-off dude, who, due to the election rhetoric and the media bias, had 7  
gigs in a 4 week period due to the "current economic crisis".

It didn't have to be that way, and the new future head dude ain't helpin'  
none by telling everyone it's worse than expected and it's gonna last for years. 
 That's just plain dumb. Doesn't give the clients confidence in moving  
forward.

Did you happen to track the number of New Year's Eve celebrations and  
concerts that were cancelled?\

Theme parks are hurting. Wonder how long before the musicians at Mickey  
World take a hit.

I know cruise ships that have canceled or dumped their bands.

Restaurants are hurting. While Mickey D's dollar menu skyrockets,  
restaurants that hire bands are doing major cut-backs.

You are gonna see a huge ripple effect here. Those folks with RVs that  
travel around the country to festivals and going to be doing that a lot less.  
Many, if not most of them just lost huge percentages of their retirement nest  
eggs.

Don't you dare think for one single minute that this isn't going to affect  
OKOM . . . you just watch what happens to the attendance at most festivals this 
 coming year.

By the way, gas is not going to stay cheap. The current political situation  
worldwide spells disasters on many fronts coming our way, and the new yahoos 
and  special interest groups are going to make very sure gas goes back up . . . 
 affecting your ability to travel and be hired affordably, and well as for 
those  who wish to hire bands from out of town.

OK, so there's the overview of the doom and gloom. Here's the bright side,  
this will become more localized. Hence, if you have festivals within a  
reasonable driving distance from where you live, you'll have a better chance of  
being hired. Fewer bands from Chicago will be coming to Milwaukee to fill  
corporate gigs.

AND, because there is a general lack of work out there, I find it easier to  
fill my chairs with top musicians, not that I didn't get them before, but now  
it's less complicated.

Also, really good bands like mine will continue to survive while less, more  
lethargic offerings will be passed over.

But then again, the Rapture and Armageddon could happen and I won't have to  
worry about anything anyway . . . it would all be a moot point.

:-)
Bill

Musical content: "I'll Fly Away" in New Orleans street funk fashion with a  
very lengthy clarinet solo . . . yeah man with a very long drum solo just  to 
tick off the purists.

In a message dated 1/11/2009 7:43:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
hvickery_80 at msn.com writes:

Read MY  post again.  What I'm not interested in is your ad hominem attacks  
against persons rather than the conditions.  I'm also not interested in  your 
personal opinions of the causes of the economic downturn.  That has  all the 
potential of turning into a political debate complete with name  calling, and I 
don't come here for political debate.  I get enough of  that on the political 
message board I help moderate.

Hal  Vickery
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  BillSargentDrums at aol.com<mailto:BillSargentDrums at aol.com> 
To:  hvickery_80 at msn.com<mailto:hvickery_80 at msn.com> 
Sent: Sunday,  January 11, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary  of Arts for USA

<<President-elect as an "idiot."   That's taking it political, and I have no 
interest in anyone's comment on any  politician or on the general economic 
downturn except as it impacts  musicians.>>

The new incoming dude in the White House  being an idiot DOES directly impact 
musicians. Apparently, you were viewing my  post with a filter as you did not 
see how I pointed out HOW it affects  musicians.

And, you are contradicting yourself here also, as you  most certainly did 
have an interest in it or you would not have taken the time  to respond to it.

Bill

In a message dated  1/11/2009 1:01:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
hvickery_80 at msn.com  writes:
I have no problem with discussing the pros and cons  of a Secretary of the 
Arts.  I do have problems with discussions on the  causes of the economic 
downturn in general and in referring to either the  current President or the 
President-elect as an "idiot."  That's taking it  political, and I have no interest 
in anyone's comment on any politician or on  the general economic downturn 
except as it impacts musicians.

Hal Vickery
----- Original Message -----  
From:  BillSargentDrums at aol.com<mailto:BillSargentDrums at aol.com> 
To: hvickery_80 at msn.com<mailto:hvickery_80 at msn.com>  
Cc:  dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com<mailto:dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>  
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Secretary of Arts for  USA

No. If it's pertinent to the topic,  Secretary of the Arts, and it's 
pertinent to gigs, and it's pertinent to  performing music and our ability to do so, 
and it's pertinent to who we can  and cannot hire, or work with, or where we 
can or cannot work, then it is  ABSOLUTELY central to the topic . . . and, I 
might add, central to the topic  of this board.

I didn't see you complain about the  suggestion of a Secretary of Arts, just 
my response to it.

It is censorship that is party, some might even say, mainly to  blame for the 
predicament many bands and musicians are currently in and facing  for the 
near future.

You would be far better off  to leave me alone and have my say than to rile 
me up further and try to stifle  me.

There, I've said what needed to be said, and  if there's no further counter, 
then I have nothing further to  say.

Standing my ground on principles,
Bill

In a message dated 1/11/2009  9:35:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
hvickery_80 at msn.com writes:
Could we please cut out the political comments?  I  don't come here to read 
the political views of  others.

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