[Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland

Wed Sep 3 17:11:19 PDT 2008

Greetings to everyone from Palm Springs, CA.  It's great to see so many 
familiar names on the list after so much time has passed by.  Just wanted to 
assure you that I'm alive and well.  I retired from the  board of the 
Dixieland Jazz Society of the Desert more than 4 years ago due to health 
issues.  I'm currently starting my second year playing solo piano at 
Cipolline Italian at 1260 S. Palm Canyon every Mon and Tues from 6 to 9 PM. 
The owner loves jazz as do my customers.  I'm not certain that what I play 
is trad, swing or bop.  After more than 50 years in the business as a 
performer, the distinctions have seemed to blur a bit.  I remember when Turk 
Murphy fired me from Earthquake McGoons in San Francisco during my second 
week on clarinet with him.   It seems that someone saw me leaving Jimbo's 
Bop City and in the early 60s and that was sufficient cause for termination. 
In those days the distinction was certainly less blurred!

That you're still discussing exactly the same threads as you were when I 
last was active on the list is hardly surprising because they were the same 
when St. Peter was still the gatekeeper on this gig when the list first 
started.

I guess old topics never die  and they don't fade away.  (You really have to 
be old to know what I'm talking about here.)

I've been hosting a jam session at the local senior center here for more 
than 10 years.  If you go to my completely out of date blog at 
www.richardbroadie.com you can hear me doing a Barney Bigard (my mentor) 
imitation on Mood Indigo that was taped by a guy who had never before held a 
video camera.
The jam is every Wednesday from 10 to 12.  There is no admission charge and 
I always offer a full refund if the "customers" don't like our music.

Dick (Melodious Thunk) Broadie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com>
To: "Richard Broadie" <rbroadie at dc.rr.com>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland

> Hello Stan,
> Just to be certain, do you like the music of either or both Johnson and
>> Cleveland
> Not really; that's why I have joined a DIXIELAND mailing list, not a
> bebop or modern mailing list.  I love swing, yes; I listen to Charlie
> Parker and Diz, but then, it's like with BG, who, having said he did
> not like bebop, was confronted with "But you employ Wardell Gray, who
> plays bebop" (quoted from memory), to which he replied "If what
> Wardell plays is bebop, then I like bebop."
> I did not invent the term; radio OKOM defines the term differently,
> and I have taken the term from there.  To them and to me, it conveys
> "traditional" (to me, this includes swing).
> Cheers
>
> On 02/09/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Marek;
>>
>> The problem is with the term OKOM ("Our Kind Of Music") which is 
>> presumptive
>> without having been defined to include specific styles of jazz or other
>> forms of music for that matter. Both JJ Johnson and Jimmy Cleveland are
>> included in "My Kind Of Music" and in Marty's kind of music as well. We
>> agree on, at least, these two jazz musicians.
>>
>> Just to be certain, do you like the music of either or both Johnson and
>> Cleveland?
>>
>> Stan
>> Stan Brager
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:20 PM
>> To: Marty Nichols; Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland
>>
>> But neither Johnson nor Cleveland played OKOM (the latter - more so).
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 29/08/2008, Marty Nichols <marnichols at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Stan Brager posted:
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:12:55 -0700
>> > From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
>> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleaveland
>> > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>,    <Duke-lym at concordia.ca>
>> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> > Message-ID: <001601c90881$4b7063f0$e2512bd0$@rr.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > According to his Wiki, trombonist Jimmy Cleveland died last Saturday -
>> > August 23, 2008. A marvelous bop trombonists with great chops capable 
>> > of
>> > covering the entire range of the horn with apparent ease.
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cleveland
>> >
>> > Stan
>> > Stan Brager
>> >
>> > In my book Jimmy Cleveland is probably the most "unsung hero of the
>> trombone" , and this among many, many other giants of the trombone who 
>> get
>> little recognition for their efforts in jazz. I still feel pain when I
>> remember that the Ken Burns jazz thing (what was it called?) omitted 
>> mention
>> of the great J. J. Johnson except for a photo of J.J. in a session with
>> Miles Davis. But that is off the subject; Jimmy Cleveland was another 
>> great
>> that too few got a chance to hear IMO.
>> >
>> > Marty Nichols
>> > http://www.esnips.com/web/jazztrombone
>> >
>> >
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