[Dixielandjazz] Coloniser's & Marching Bands. was backbeat v Downbeat

[David Richoux]

Steve, Pat and all,

Not to exactly answer your question -

Since there are no recordings of actual 1700's bands it would be  
pretty hard to prove any point, but in the book "Songs and Music of  
the Redcoats 1642-1902" by Lewis Winstock, there many examples, but  
the most notable: "The British Grenadiers" of the 1780s which was  
described in the contemporary press as "Stately and Dignified"  and  
then was soon appropriated by the American bands (with parody lyrics)  
and was described as "Spirited and Lively." Having no idea what the  
basis for those descriptions I can only guess that there was those  
"Downbeat vs. Backbeat" differences. (and I am skipping over a lot of  
text I don't want to re-type.)

This is a great book, by the way - I happened to find it in a London  
used book store - it has lots of anecdotal references and even music  
charts with melody and counterpoint! Amazon shows some copies  
available for pretty cheap right now!

The stories about the bandsmen and composers are quite interesting -  
things really have not changed that much for military musicians...

Dave Richoux

On May 18, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Stephen G Barbone wrote:

>>  "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com> wrote, (polite snip)
>
>> What happens when a coloniser is in turn
>> colonised. Do they issue new music to their bands?
>
> Good question Pat. I surely don't know. Perhaps when a colonizer is  
> defeated by the colonies, the colonizer band already has the music  
> for it? Like "The World Turned Upside Down", which General  
> Cornwallis's Marching Band played during the surrender ceremony to  
> the Yanks at Yorktown Virginia circa 1781.
>
> That battle, and song, effectively ended the American Revolution  
> and the final Treaty of Paris granting the American Colonies  
> Independence was signed two years later in 1783.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone (who just spent the weekend with his niece's in-laws  
> who are from York in the UK)
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