[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 65, Issue 5

[Bonnie Otto]

On May 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, dixielandjazz-request at ml.islandnet.com  
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>   1. Re: BG YouTube clip (Bill Haesler)
>   2. Goodman bassists (ROBERT R. CALDER)
>   3. Re: Goodman bassists (Rick Zahniser)
>   4. Buescher C soprano sax for sale by Stan McDonald (Stan McDonald)
>   5. Re: BG YouTube clip (LRG4003 at aol.com)
>   6. Selling vintage C soprano sax, Buescher (Stan McDonald)
>   7. Re: Lionel Hampton book (was Goodman bassists) (Bill Haesler)
>   8. Re: BG YouTube clip (Dingo)
>   9. A More complete Jimmy Giuffre Obit (Stephen G Barbone)
>  10. Re: BG YouTube clip (Bill Haesler)
>  11. Coming Up on Riverwalk Jazz in June-A Night At	Nick's
>      (Don Mopsick)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:30:55 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] BG YouTube clip
> To: Diann Franks <swingbanjo at yahoo.com>
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Diann Franks reiterated:
>> The bassist was Slam Stewart , The  photograph w/names and dates is  
>> in
>> the new bio  book titled "Flying Home Lionel Hampton[Celebrating 100
>> years of good vibes]" . It's in the book stores now . It's a good
>> read......Diann
>
> Come on fellas.
> Slam Stewart or George Duvivier?
> Name the tunes on the YouTube clip (which I can't access).
> Maybe we can use discography to solve it that way.
> Diann is adamant and the facts fit her contention that it was the
> Carnegie Hall concert on 29 June 1973.
> Are you discussing two different YouTube clips?
> So far as I can find, the only occasions on which Krupa, George
> Duvivier and BG appeared together where sound/film recordings are
> available were:
> ?The Film The Benny Goodman Story in 1955
> ?A TV broadcast in 21 August 1967
> ?The Timex All Star Swing Festival 23 Oct 1972.
> Duvivier worked and recorded with BG on many other occasions,  
> including
> the small group, but not with Gene.
> Kind regards,
> Bill
>
> http://www.myspace.com/robbersdogsjazzband
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:55:29 +0100 (BST)
> From: "ROBERT R. CALDER" <serapion at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Goodman bassists
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> The bassists in Goodman small group recordings seem to be Art  
> Bernstein or Sid Weiss or whoever was good enough to play in the big  
> band.  Walter Iooss (Eye-ooss, rhyming with juice, is how Benny  
> pronounces it on a live recording) was also there. Kirby turns up in  
> December 1938, with either Buddy Schutz or Hampton on drums. Slam  
> Stewart turns up in 1945, with Red Norvo on vibes.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 19:02:11 -0600
> From: Rick Zahniser <rickz at usermail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Goodman bassists
> To: "ROBERT R. CALDER" <serapion at btinternet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> ROBERT R. CALDER wrote:
>> The bassists in Goodman small group recordings seem to be Art  
>> Bernstein or Sid Weiss or whoever was good enough to play in the  
>> big band.  Walter Iooss (Eye-ooss, rhyming with juice, is how Benny  
>> pronounces it on a live recording) was also there. Kirby turns up  
>> in December 1938, with either Buddy Schutz or Hampton on drums.  
>> Slam Stewart turns up in 1945, with Red Norvo on vibes.
>>
>>
> Oh, Gee!!  I'm glad I didn't try to guess the Bassist!
>
> I can't find the "Flying Home" book that Dian mentioned on Amazon.   
> Lots
> of entries, but nothing that really fits "100 years of good vibes."
> ??????????
>
> Rick
> http://coloradonighthawks.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:42:37 -0400
> From: "Stan McDonald" <stanmm at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Buescher C soprano sax for sale by Stan
> 	McDonald
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> I may soon be putting this item on Ebay. It is a Buescher, straight,  
> C soprano, serial #96452, c. 1909. It is silver plated, needs  
> mouthpiece and overhaul, but is a beautiful instrument. I'll be  
> asking $800 minimum bid. I don't want to mess with details, so am  
> doing this through an Ebay broker, but thought I would first see if  
> any interest among DJML. Also, If members have interest in my band,  
> venues, recordings, please check out www.bluehorizonjazzband.com.  
> Keep the faith.
>
> Stan McDonald (the guy who sold one of Omer Simeon's Albert  
> clarinets to the superb Tito Martino).
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:03:39 EDT
> From: LRG4003 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] BG YouTube clip
> To: bhaesler at bigpond.net.au
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Okay Bill, I'll give this a shot.
>
> The two clips are actually one.  The shorter one, 1:55, is  the  
> second half
> of the longer clip.  That one is 6:18
> and opens with "Moonglow" then, halfway through turns into "Ding  
> Dong  Daddy
> from Dumas".
> There's a pan shot of the audience and it's a large indoor concert   
> venue but
> can't tell if it's Carnegie.
>
> A comment on this clip indicates that the concert is 1972 and Krupa  
> died  the
> next year, which, if true, would make it the Timex Swing Festival in
> October, 1972 (if that was an indoor event). The 1973 date from  
> Diann  would work too
> given that Krupa passed away in October.
>
> Bill.  Your turn...
>
> K.C. Clarinet
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:18:09 -0400
> From: "Stan McDonald" <stanmm at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Selling vintage C soprano sax, Buescher
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> I may soon be putting on Ebay my Buescher, C, straight soprano sax,  
> serial # 96452, c. 1909. Silver-plated, needs overhaul and  
> mouthpiece, but a beautiful instrument. Minimum bid would be $800. I  
> don't want to mess with transactional details, so would be going  
> through an Ebay broker, but thought first to check potential  
> interest among DJML members.
>
> Also, if there is interest in my band, venues, records or  
> memorabilia (e.g. New Black Eagle Jazz Band official T-shirts)  
> please check out and contact me at: www.bluehorizonjazzband.com.  
> Keep the faith.
>
> Stan McDonald (I'm the guy who sold one of Omer Simeon's Albert  
> clarinets to the marvelous Tito Martino).
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:46:02 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lionel Hampton book (was Goodman
> 	bassists)
> To: Rick Zahniser <rickz at usermail.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>> I can't find the "Flying Home" book that Dian mentioned on Amazon.
>> Lots of entries, but nothing that really fits "100 years of good
>> vibes."   ??????????
>
>
> Dear Rick
> Try Borders. It's theier exclusive):
>
> All PR Newswire news
> 'Flying Home' Book and CD Release Available Exclusively at Borders
> Nationwide
> ANN ARBOR, Mich., April 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, Borders released its
> latest exclusive title, "Flying Home: Lionel Hampton Celebrating 100
> Years of Good Vibes" written by Stanley Crouch with a foreword by
> Wynton Marsalis. "Flying Home" is a photo retrospective of jazz  
> pioneer
> Hampton's life, musical talents, famous performances and contributions
> to society. This beautiful collectors' book comes packaged with an
> exclusive CD containing some of the never-before released collection  
> of
> Hampton's best performances. Both the "Flying Home" book and CD are
> only available at Borders stores across the country beginning today.
> (Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20060208/BORDERSLOGO )
> "Hampton was one of the most gifted musicians to ever play jazz," said
> Marsalis in his foreword from "Flying Home." "Hampton was a true
> improviser with a natural gift for melody. He possessed a dedication
> and special energy that pushed an already first class talent up into
> the rarefied air of jazz heaven."
> "We are pleased to introduce Lionel Hampton's music and life to a new
> generation of jazz enthusiasts through Borders' exclusive book and  
> CD,"
> said Rob Gruen, executive vice president of merchandising and  
> marketing
> for Borders Group, Inc. "Lionel paved the way for so many artists  
> today
> by being one ofthe first African-Americans to control his own record
> label and music. He also gave back to society through his many
> humanitarian efforts including performing benefit concerts supporting
> opponents of apartheid during the 50s and building homes for those in
> need during the 60s."
> Hampton played an integral role in breaking the color barrier when he
> joined Benny Goodman, Teddy Wilson and Gene Krupa to form the Benny
> Goodman Quartet in 1939. The Quartet fought for equal wages, equal
> hotel accommodations and equal time on the stage changing music  
> forever
> and leading the way for the nation in equality for all men.
> The April release of "Flying Home" coincides with the centennial of
> Hampton's birth. Former band mates, fellow jazz legends and those
> closest to Hampton share their stories and thoughts with journalist  
> and
> music critic, Crouch. "Flying Home" is filled with pages of rare  
> photos
> from Hampton's life, concerts, rehearsals and travels highlighting his
> work as a musician, philanthropist and driving force behind the jazz
> festival that bears his name - University of Idaho Lionel
> Hampton/Chevron Jazz Festival.
> The "Flying Home" exclusive CD contains eight tracks such as "Vibes
> Boogie" live, "Midnight Blues," "I Found a New Baby" and the title
> track, "Flying Home." The CD is only available with the book at all
> Borders stores nationwide.
> About Borders, Inc.
> Borders is a subsidiary of Borders Group, Inc., a $3.8 billion global
> retailer of books, music, movies, periodicals and gift and stationery
> items with over 30,000 employees and more than 1,100 stores worldwide
> primarily operating under the Borders(R) and Waldenbooks(R) brand
> names. Currently, there are over 500 Borders superstores in the U.S.
> that carry up to 200,000 titles. Customers enjoy a comfortable  
> shopping
> experience, as well as a host of in-store events and community- 
> centered
> activities when they visit their local Borders stores. For more
> information, visit       www.bordersgroupinc.com .
> Copyright 2008 PR Newswire
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:34:22 +0100
> From: "Dingo" <roadie at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] BG YouTube clip
> To: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>,	"DJML"
> 	<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Haesler
>
> Come on fellas.
> Slam Stewart or George Duvivier?
> ~~~~~~~~~
>
> Hi Bill & Gang,
>
> If we're still talking about http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQTckQDGAc   
> then
> the bass player was George D.  Info to hand would seem to indicate the
> original source, as below:
>
> All-Star Swing Festival
>
> Airdate: NBC November 29, 1972
>
> Filmed October 22-23, 1972 at Lincoln Center's Philharmonic Hall in  
> New York
> City.
>
> Greats of the swing jazz era appear together in a gala concert.  
> Hosted by
> Doc Severinsen, some of the performers include, Count Basie and his
> Orchestra, Barrett Deems, Duke Ellington and his Orchestra, Ella  
> Fitzgerald,
> and the original Benny Goodman Quartet ("Ding Dong Daddy from Dumas"  
> with
> Lionel Hampton, Gene Krupa and Teddy Wilson, supplemented by George
> Duvivier, in their last television appearance together).
>
> Available on video and includes:
> Doc Severinsen
> Ella Fitzgerald
> Duke Ellington and Orchestra
> Joe Williams
> Count Basie and Orchestra
> The Dave Brubeck Quartet
> Dizzy Gillespie
> Bobby Hackett
> Tyree Glenn
> Barrett Deems
> Barney Bigard
> Arvell Shaw
> Max Kaminsky
> Benny Goodman
> Gene Krupa
> Lionel Hampton
> Teddy Wilson
> Earl "Fatha" Hines
> ~~
> John D
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:00:53 -0400
> From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] A More complete Jimmy Giuffre Obit
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>
> This is a more complete Jimmy Giuffre Obit. From the UK Telegraph.
> Note how Woody Herman "discovered" the 4 brothers sound in Gene
> Roland's Band. Note also the Stan Getz quote about dumb jobs. Ah well,
> I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve Barbone
> www.barbonestreet.com
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>
> Jimmy Giuffre
>
> Versatile jazz musician who loomed large in the West Coast genre
> before turning to minimalism.
>
> Jimmy Giuffre, who died on April 24 aged 86, was a jazz composer and
> instrumentalist of great originality and stylistic breadth; during a
> long career he produced some music which met with wide public acclaim,
> including the acknowledged masterpiece Four Brothers, and some so
> baffling and inward-looking that it found virtually no audience at  
> all.
>
> James Peter Giuffre was born in Dallas, Texas, on April 26 1921 and
> began learning the clarinet aged nine. Initially he played the tiny E-
> flat instrument, graduating to the standard B-flat model when his
> hands had grown sufficiently. He added the saxophone a few years  
> later.
>
> While studying at North Texas State Teachers' College, Giuffre played
> tenor saxophone in local dance bands and clarinet in classical
> ensembles. After receiving his BMus in 1942 he served for four years
> in a US Army Air Force band before settling in southern California,
> where he studied composition and worked as a freelance arranger. He
> wrote mainly for the forward-looking Boyd Raeburn Orchestra and for
> the popular dance band led by the saxophonist Jimmy Dorsey.
>
> The immediate post-war years saw the emergence of a radically new
> approach to the tenor saxophone in jazz ? producing a sound that was
> light, airy and smooth. It had been introduced by Lester Young and
> adopted by a younger generation of players as the new voice of the
> instrument. Giuffre joined three other young players ? Stan Getz, Zoot
> Sims and Herbie Steward ? in a band led by the trumpeter Gene Roland.
> The four light-toned tenor saxophones playing in close harmony made a
> sound quite unlike any other combination, a sound that seemed to
> epitomise modernity and glamour.
>
> Roland's unusual saxophone team was soon spotted by Woody Herman, then
> in the process of creating his new band. The only one of the four not
> hired by Herman was Giuffre, who played the lowest of the four parts.
> Herman already had a baritone saxophonist, Serge Chaloff, for that  
> role.
>
> As a kind of consolation prize, Herman invited Giuffre to write for
> the band. The first piece he came up with, entitled Four Brothers,
> amounted to a miniature concerto grosso, with the saxophones,
> separately and together, playing the concertino role. Today, after
> more than 60 years, this three-and-a-quarter-minute recording, with
> its immaculate tonal blend, grace and momentum, continues to exert a
> spirit-lifting effect. Outside the work of Duke Ellington, it is
> difficult to think of a finer piece for the jazz orchestra.
>
> Giuffre continued to follow the combined careers of composer-arranger
> and jobbing saxophonist, not always in the choicest company. As Stan
> Getz recalled of those days: "We played some dumb jobs ? Mickey Mouse
> bands, rhumba bands, Dixieland bands." Giuffre himself worked briefly
> with a Mexican group and with Spade Cooley's "Western Swing" band. But
> he also acted as musical director for Buddy Rich's big band in 1948,
> and finally got to be one of the Four Brothers the following year,
> when he joined Herman for a few months.
>
> The early 1950s saw the rise of a specific "West Coast" style of jazz,
> with Giuffre as one of its central figures. He played with, and wrote
> for, all the leading bands, including those of Shelly Manne, Howard
> Rumsey and Shorty Rogers. Giuffre also recorded some more experimental
> work under his own name, including Tangents In Jazz (1955) and The
> Jimmy Giuffre Clarinet (1956), the latter employing various
> combinations of orchestral woodwind, except in one piece where the
> only accompaniment to his clarinet is the sound of his own tapping  
> foot.
>
> A move to New York in 1956 brought a sudden change in Giuffre's music.
> He embraced minimalism, in the form of a simple trio with Jim Hall on
> guitar and a succession of bassists. After a while the bass was
> replaced by valve trombone, played by Bob Brookmeyer. The effect was
> aptly described by one critic as "a homespun, back-porch feeling", and
> it was particularly marked when Giuffre played the clarinet. He
> usually confined himself to the instrument's woody lower register,
> imparting an innocent, folky flavour to improvisations that could
> actually be quite complex.
>
> It was with this trio that Giuffre enjoyed his second burst of
> popularity. It came with a jaunty little piece entitled The Train and
> the River, which caused a small stir when the trio played it on a
> television show in 1957, and a considerably larger stir when it was
> featured in the opening sequence of the film Jazz On A Summer's Day,
> shot at the 1958 Newport Jazz Festival and released worldwide in 1960.
>
> In 1957 Giuffre was invited to teach at the annual summer music school
> at Lennox, Massachusetts. There he encountered exponents of the
> emerging "free-form" movement and the "third stream", which sought to
> combine the techniques of jazz and classical music. These had a marked
> effect on his own music, which now took a more abstract turn. Although
> he gained some success with his later trios in Europe, he was now
> applauded more for his courage than for the appeal of his music.
>
> "I don't play to win a mass audience," he explained in 1964. "If I
> wanted that, I'd play with Guy Lombardo or Lawrence Welk."
>
> From 1970 Giuffre combined performance with teaching, at Rutgers
> University, the New England Conservatory and New York University. His
> final years were affected by Parkinson's disease.
>
> Jimmy Giuffre is survived by his wife, Juanita.
>
>
>
> Steve Barbone
>
> www.barbonestreet.com
> www.myspace.com/barbonestreetjazzband
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:30:18 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] BG YouTube clip
> To: LRG4003 at aol.com
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <E0546DCA-1A85-11DD-8A28-000A958B1370 at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>  KC Clarinet wrote:
>> The two clips are actually one......and opens with "Moonglow" then,
>> halfway through turns into "Ding Dong  Daddy
>> from Dumas".
>
> Thanks KC,
> "Ding Dong Daddy" and "Moonglow" were played on the 29 June 1973
> Carnegie Hall concert mentioned by Diann.
>
>> A comment on this clip indicates that the concert is 1972....
> Mmmmmmmmmmm. Who said so?
>
>> The 1973 date from Diann would work too given that Krupa passed away
>> in October.
> Gene Krupa died (as you point out) on 16 Oct 1973.
>
> Using the much maligned field of discography, I'm still with Dianna.
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:21:54 -0500
> From: "Don Mopsick" <mophandl at landing.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Coming Up on Riverwalk Jazz in June-A Night
> 	At	Nick's
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> To All DJML Subscribers:
>
> Nick's in the Village was one of the favorite haunts on the New York  
> jazz
> scene in the 1930s and '40s. The first house band-led by Bobby
> Hackett-featured Eddie Condon, Pee Wee Russell and Zutty Singleton.  
> Meade
> Lux Lewis was the intermission pianist, and you never knew who might  
> drop
> by.
>
> The Riverwalk Jazz production team is working on a radio show called  
> A Night
> at Nick's, and we're reaching out to you for stories and memories of  
> the
> music scene there. Help us paint a picture of what it looked,  
> sounded and
> felt like inside. Who was playing on the bandstand? What was on the  
> menu?
> And if you weren't there yourself, do you have stories from family  
> members
> who were? We'll collect your stories and select some to put on the  
> air and
> our Website.
>
> The show is coming up soon-in June-so please email your stories to  
> us, let
> us know how to contact you, and also how to pronounce your name.  
> Send your
> email to Jan White at jwhite at pvpmedia.net.
>
> mopo
>
>
>
>
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