[Dixielandjazz] trombone style change

[Marek Boym]

I believe, based on recorded evidence that Miff Mole is not "Part of
the answer," but "the" answer.  TD acknowledget it, as did others.
And since Mole started recording very early, and his records were
quite wide spread, most of the others must have been influenced
thereby.
Teagarden is another story.  Hos style is very different from both
tailgate and Mole's, and was probably developed independently.
Cheers

On 01/06/2008, Don Ingle <dingle at nomadinter.net> wrote:
> Paul Edgerton wrote:
> > Part of the answer is Miff Mole. Even TD acknowledged his influence.
> >
> > -- Paul Edgerton
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:02 PM, eupher dude <eupher61 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > When did the trombone go from the raucaus "tailgate" style of Ory et al
> (and Murphy later) to the sweet, smooth style of Dorsey etc?  (et al, etc, I
> love 'em!)
> > >
> > > I've never seen a discussion of this.  It's such a huge difference that
> happened in a relatively short period of time I'd guess, no more than 5-6
> years.
> > >
> > > steve "just one less thing for me to wonder about" hoog
> > >
> > >
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> To some extent,  would add a very young Spiegle Willcox. Example,
> Goldkette's MY PRETTY GIRL, with the straight, smooth sound of Spiegle's
> lead against the solo clarinet chorus. My dad (Red Ingle) always said that
> Spiegle, whom he worked with on several of the Goldkette Detroit units, had
> the best sound and smoothest style of anyone playing in that office
> 'stable.' Spiegle went to Whiteman with some of the Goldkette guys, but got
> homesick for the his hometown of Cincinnatus, NY and went back home to work
> in the family business. He still kept playing even into his 90's, often in
> late years with his buddy Joe Venuti, and became a dear friend of Jean's and
> mine as well in later years. (We actually drove to his home to spend some
> time with him a few years before his passing. The lawn was well covered with
> goose grease from all the Branta canadensis (Canada geese) that shared his
> pond with him.)
> There were others: Jack Reid (Cecile Reid's brother), Walter Hunt (Pee Wee)
> who played it both smooth and sweet and hot and heavy with the Orange
> Blossoms (later Casa Loma) of the Goldkette staple. I would agree that
> Teagarden was a role model, but not the only one in that era.
> This is an interesting thread - worth further exploration - and I will wait
> to see what is added on in freshly suggested names.
> Don Ingle
>
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