[Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions

Marek Boym marekboym at gmail.com
Wed Jul 9 09:07:39 PDT 2008


Hello Stan,
Although I've seen the Sidney Bechet's  One Man Band described as
"musical onanism," it's still worth hearing - Bechet was Bechet.  BTW,
I have an LP titled "Sidney Bechet - Live Sessions," on which the
Sidney Bechet's One Man Band also appears.  So there.
Cheers

On 08/07/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Marek;
>
> It seems that you've found the smallest possible orchestra. Sidney Bechet's
> One Man Band doesn't qualify inasmuch as there was only a single
> instrumentalist.
>
> I wish I had a prize to award you ;-).
>
> Stan
> Stan Brager
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:50 PM
> To: Stan Brager; Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions
>
> How about "Dick Wellstood and His Famous Orchestra Featuring Kenny Davern?"
> In fact, it's a duo.
> Cheers
>
>
> On 07/07/2008, Stan Brager <sbrager at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > Ken;
> >
> > Having seen records on which a trio of instrumentalists were described as
> an
> > orchestra, I googled for the definition and found:
> >
> > Orchestra:
> >    In modern times, this is the term which signifies a wide variety of
> > instrumental ensembles.
> >
> > This was taken from http://tinyurl.com/64zrgr which says that this
> > definition comes from the "The New Grove Dictionary of Music and
> Musicians"
> > published in 1980.
> >
> > Need we say more?
> >
> > Stan
> > Stan Brager
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Mathieson [mailto:ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 2:54 PM
> > To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Pointless Definitions
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The current "Hot Dance Music" bun-fight kind of underlines the
> pointlessness
> > of definitions. Was it Duke or Louis who offered this as a definition of
> > Jazz? "It's just another way of playing music." On the face of it not a
> very
> > helpful definition, but in retrospect as good as any. Also, how is
> > "orchestra" defined? I was taken to task for calling my band the Classic
> > Jazz Orchestra when there are only eight of us, on the basis that bookers
> > and the public would expect no less than seventeen, and maybe more,
> players.
> > The only definition of orchestra that makes sense to me "is a group of
> > musicians who play from orchestrations," but if the solos are improvised,
> > what should it be called? Oh sh*t, does that mean I've got a Hot Dance
> Band?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ken Mathieson
> >
> > www.classicjazzorchestra.org.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
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