[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 62, Issue 23

Paul Gorelick drpag at flash.net
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Today's Topics:

   1. Sad news (Brian Harvey)
   2. Interesting Article in Chicago Trib (Harold Smith)
   3. Re: Herb Gardner (Jim Kashishian)
   4. Chaotic e-mails (Gerard Bielderman)
   5. Re: Sad news (Marek Boym)
   6. Temporary hold of emails (Clive Smith)
   7. H2 (Jim Kashishian)
   8. Re: Herb Gardner (John McClernan)
   9. Herbie Hancock's 2008 Best Album Grammy (Stephen G Barbone)
  10. Herb Gardner - arguably the finest trombonist? (Stephen G Barbone)
  11. Cell Block Seven's New Piano Player. (Stephen G Barbone)
  12. OKOM in Washington DC (Stephen G Barbone)
  13. Re: Herb Gardner - trombonists (Nancy Giffin)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:15:08 -0000
From: "Brian Harvey" <brer.rabbit at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Sad news
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The British National commercial digital radio station TheJazz - which has
never been kind to OKOM - is to close by the end of March, less than a year
after its official launch. The closure is part of a ?9m package of cuts
announced by the station's parent company. They claim that TheJazz proved to
be an instant hit, attracting more than 330,000 listeners in its first three
months. Rival non-commercial OKOM station - Brian Harvey's Hot Jazz
Channel - reaches around 250,000 every three months. But TheJazz chief
executive Fru Hazlitt said that digital audio broadcasting (DAB) wasn't an
economically viable platform, and that the company's future lay in broadband
and traditional FM stations. To soften the blow, TheJazz managing director
Darren Henley has revealed that jazz will be added to the remit of sister
station Classic FM.


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:38:36 GMT
From: "Harold Smith" <s3856lpa at webtv.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Interesting Article in Chicago Trib
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Bob Ringwald sent in an "Interesting Article" in The Chicago Tribune, which
knocked the Grammy Awards, and quite clearly criticized their "Recording of
the Year" award going to Herbie Hancock, as well as past "Jazz" picks, such
as Tony Bennett and Natalie Cole hit albums..

Well, I'll more or less agree with the level of ignorance on the part of
today's generation of jazz listeners, but I'm forced to be grateful that
almost anything that is either melodious or harmonically interesting is
given some recognition by those usually tone-deaf Grammy voters.

As an aside, I don't know this, but I'm willing to wager that the writer of
the Trib
article was the notoriously snobbish and elitist Howard Reich, who recoils
at anything lyrical or swinging and who writhes in ecstasy at modal, free
form and other various forms of atonality and anarchy in jazz.  My opinion
of his musical authority is that he sits alone in a room and plays
recordings of some transcendental guru droning 3, 200 bars of "Om".

Meanwhile, unlike that article's author, I thought the Natalie Cole album
called "Unforgettable" was lovely, upbeat and swinging, and a worthy tribute
to her father.  If, by chance, Mr. Reich should read this, please go bang a
gong and take a chorus on kazoo.

Regards.
Harold



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:03:12 +0100
From: "Jim Kashishian" <jim at kashprod.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herb Gardner
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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 Marty Nichols wrote:
  No one qualifies as "the finest OKOM trombonist alive in the world
today"..........


I almost wrote exactly the same thing, Marty, but decided not to bother at
the time.  Now, your post has prompted me to agree.  But, it's not just
"trombonist".  Since personal tastes come into our own opinions, it is
difficult to say who is "best" at anything.  And, who cares?  Better to say
how much you enjoy "so & so", or you gotta hear "so & so".

I never liked the competition we had in the junior & high school bands,
where someone below you could "challenge you" for your chair.  I always
thought it was silly.  What accounts for "better or best"?  In the case of
the schools, couldn't the bandleader have sorted out the chairs without
creating the competition thing?

I like to say I'm the best trombonist in the Canal Street Jazz Band (there's
only me!).  I can't make any other claims.  I can only do the best I can do
(& try to make it better).

Jim




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:55:16 +0100
From: "Gerard Bielderman" <gerard.bielderman at tiscali.nl>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Chaotic e-mails
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Can someone instruct Phil Pospychala how to send normal e-mails? How they 
look now is ridiculous!

Gerard Bielderman
Leie 18
8032 ZG  ZWOLLE
Netherlands
Publisher of jazz discographies
http://home.tiscali.nl/tradjazz


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:29:48 +0200
From: "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Sad news
To: "Brian Harvey" <brer.rabbit at tiscali.co.uk>,
	Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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Hello Brian,
Remember Jazz for the Asking?
For years, I used to play truant to work and go out with mu transistor
radio to listen to it.  It was mostly, although not entirely, OKOM.
Then Peter Clayton was taken ill and passed away, Digby Fairweather
took over for a while, but eventually the programme was given to
Malcolm Laycock.  Laycock turned it into a non-jazz (i.e. - "modern")
programme, and within a short time the programme died.
Cheers

On 12/02/2008, Brian Harvey <brer.rabbit at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> The British National commercial digital radio station TheJazz - which has
> never been kind to OKOM - is to close by the end of March, less than a
year
> after its official launch. The closure is part of a ?9m package of cuts
> announced by the station's parent company. They claim that TheJazz proved
to
> be an instant hit, attracting more than 330,000 listeners in its first
three
> months. Rival non-commercial OKOM station - Brian Harvey's Hot Jazz
> Channel - reaches around 250,000 every three months. But TheJazz chief
> executive Fru Hazlitt said that digital audio broadcasting (DAB) wasn't an
> economically viable platform, and that the company's future lay in
broadband
> and traditional FM stations. To soften the blow, TheJazz managing director
> Darren Henley has revealed that jazz will be added to the remit of sister
> station Classic FM.
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:20:31 -0500
From: "Clive Smith" <scousersmith at gmail.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Temporary hold of emails
To: Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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I shall be out of the country from February 15th thru 29th. Please arrange a
temporary suspension of emails to me during that period.
Many thanks & regards
Clive Smith

scousersmith at gmail.com


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:37:02 +0100
From: "Jim Kashishian" <jim at kashprod.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] H2
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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The Zoom H2 recorder was reviewed in the latest issue of AudioMedia (a prof
audio mag).  "...for the price the H2 sounds great.....versatile & simple to
use...offers lots of connectivity & the dual stereo recording option is
brilliant."  It's listed at 149.95 Sterling in the U.K.
 
What I could pick out of the text, though, it seemed that the mag tested it
on dialogue (for film), and not music, though.  Once again, if you're using
it for music, buy a bigger card & record at proper music sampling rates.
Less is not better in this case!
 
Jim


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:52:10 -0500
From: John McClernan <mcclernan1 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herb Gardner
To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:03 AM, Jim Kashishian wrote:

> I like to say I'm the best trombonist in the Canal Street Jazz Band  
> (there's
> only me!).  I can't make any other claims.  I can only do the best  
> I can do
> (& try to make it better).
>
> Jim


Jim,
This one particular club owner, for whom I worked 17 summers, liked  
to rib new musicians on their first night . He would tell them that  
they sounded great, and in fact were the second-best __________ (fill  
in the instrument) player ever to play in his club.
Of course, the new guy would ask excitedly, "Really? Who's the best?"
The owner would say, as he walked away laughing, "All the rest."
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Cheers,
John



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:23:09 -0500
From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Herbie Hancock's 2008 Best Album Grammy
To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Not OKOM, however a good read about the Grammy process and how a jazz  
record won best album in 2008. First time for a jazz winner since  
1964. Remember that one?

Cheers,
Steve Barbone

NY TIMES - February 12, 2008 - By Ben Ratliff
A Victory for Jazz, or Just Grammy Being Grammy?
When something newsworthy or popular or positive happens to a jazz  
musician ? a big award, say ? many in the jazz world feel astonished  
for about four seconds, then quickly act very smug. You know: We?ve  
been sitting here patiently, full of our aesthetic virtue, so used to  
being ignored, and the world has finally come around to our point of  
view. Are we happy about it? More to the point, what took you so long?

Are we entitled to feel that way about ?River: The Joni Letters,? by  
Herbie Hancock, being named album of the year at the Grammys on  
Sunday ? We could, but it would be silly. Perhaps the speculation is  
true that Amy Winehouse and Kanye West split the vote. And yes, it is  
very unusual to see a record of such modest sales win the big prize.  
But inasmuch as it is a jazz album, it is precisely the kind of jazz  
album that would win this award.

First, let?s just get this over with: Where were you in 1965,  
Recording Academy, when Mr. Hancock made his venerated album ?Maiden  
Voyage??

But look one year further back to 1964. ?Getz/Gilberto? won, and  
besides ?River,? it is the only more or less jazz album in 50 years of  
the Grammys to have earned this award. There might be instructive  
logic there to unravel why ?River? beat some records that are far more  
successful and far more emblematic of their time. (?River? has sold  
around 55,000 copies, whereas Kanye West?s ?Graduation? has sold two  
million.)

?Getz/Gilberto? was a collaboration between the jazz saxophonist Stan  
Getz and the bossa nova musician Jo?o Gilberto, with his wife at the  
time, Astrud Gilberto, as occasional singer. It shares some important  
qualities with ?River.?

Both are quite beautiful, though practical: experiments with strong  
ideas made moderate. Both are syncretist collaborations between a  
flexible jazz musician and a famously uncompromising genius who  
invented his or her own style ? two musicians of putatively different  
worlds. Both feature light-voiced singing on a little less than half  
the tracks.

And on both, the drums sound chastened. (When a jazz record with  
really assertive, swinging rhythm wins album of the year, then jazz  
enthusiasts can feel smug. ?Good taste? ? an idea that means quite a  
lot in this category of the Grammys ? can be telegraphed quickly by  
reducing the role of the drums.)

?River? isn?t just a jazz record. It is a singer-songwriter record.  
(Norah Jones, Tina Turner, Corinne Bailey Rae, Leonard Cohen and  
Luciana Souza are on it, all singing Joni Mitchell songs, as is Ms.  
Mitchell herself.) It is soft-edged and literate and respectable. It  
seems, at least, intended as an audience bridger. And it also a very  
Grammy-ish record, not just because Mr. Hancock, and others on it,  
have won various Grammys in the past.

Institutions like to congratulate themselves, and giving the prize to  
?River? can be understood as a celebration of the academy?s more high- 
minded pop impulses. The best album category, in particular, is often  
a corrective or an apology for any excesses or shortcomings of the  
present.

It can amount to a sentimental, history-minded celebration of album  
culture. At this point it can conjure and lament a lost world of  
musicians and styles from the 1970s or before, those who actually  
played instruments, sometimes very well, and trusted their listeners  
to pay attention to them in 40-minute chunks. From the last 15 years  
of the award this idea could explain the victories of Ray Charles,  
Norah Jones, Steely Dan, Santana, Bob Dylan, Tony Bennett and Eric  
Clapton. (It doesn?t explain Celine Dion, but if we perfectly  
understood the mind-set of academy members we wouldn?t watch the show.)

Some of what ?River? accomplishes as a jazz record is serious indeed.  
Mr. Hancock?s version of Duke Ellington?s ?Solitude? is the modern  
jazz process itself: a complete reharmonization of a familiar song,  
with rhythm that keeps vanishing and reappearing. Wayne Shorter?s  
saxophone playing on many tracks, including his own ?Nefertiti? and  
Ms. Mitchell?s ?Edith and the Kingpin,? is casually brilliant ? some  
kind of strange, subconscious vernacular. And though Ms. Mitchell has  
never called herself a jazz singer, her vocal performance on ?The Tea  
Leaf Prophecy? has a rhythmic assurance that a lot of self-identifying  
jazz singers could use.

It?s a cool-tempered album, almost drowsy. In so many ways it does  
seem a strange choice, not just in its modest commercial profile but  
in that it?s the first album to win this particular award for either  
Mr. Hancock or Ms. Mitchell. Yet it is also august and exquisitely  
acceptable: precisely the qualities that this category of the Grammy  
Awards tends to orient itself around.




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:14 -0500
From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Herb Gardner - arguably the finest
	trombonist?
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Marty Nichols wrote: (polite snip)

> .
>  No one, I repeat , no one qualifies as "the finest OKOM trombonist  
> alive in the world today" and I am aware of most of them. You may  
> have your favorite, but that will never qualify them for the above  
> mentioned distinction.
>
>  Well, at least this animated me enough to post a response after  
> lurking for months without seeing anything that "moved me to post."


Hey Marty Good to hear from you.

I agree completely with what you said: "no one qualifies as 'the  
finest OKOM trombonist alive in the world today'."  Especially if we  
are not familiar with all of them. (and who is?)

However the meaning you have given my words is neither  what I said  
nor what I meant.

My exact words about Herb Gardner were (polite snip)  " arguably the  
finest trombonist alive in the world today".

"Arguably" is the operative word, an adverb that means  "can be  
supported by argument".   It is not an absolute, but merely something  
that one could argue for or against. To leave it out, as you did in  
quoting me, completely alters the meaning of what I said.

Similarly, I could also have rightly said that:  "Dan Barrett, (or Tom  
Artin, Bob Havens,  Marty Nichols or anyone else of similar stature)  
is arguably the finest OKOM trombonist alive today."

That is also basically why I use "(polite snip") when quoting others  
out of context. To reassure the readers that I did not alter the  
original meaning.

Cheers,
Steve Barbone






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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:25:22 -0500
From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Cell Block Seven's New Piano Player.
To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Bob Romans and Ed Metz enjoyed watching Hiromi play piano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0ERlIvwhAU

Several years ago at ther 15th Annual Clifford Brown Jazz Festival in  
Wilmington Delaware (his birthplace) I met Hiromi after the Barbone  
Street / Preservation Hall shared performance. She was in the audience  
and was performing the following night. Enchanted with her, I  went  
back as an audience member to listen to her play.

She absolutely blew me away.  Charming young lady as well as an  
extraordinary jazz pianist.

Cheers,
Steve Barbone

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:27:09 -0500
From: Stephen G Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] OKOM in Washington DC
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> "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote (polite snip)
>
> I have not heard the other bands, but both the Federal Commission and
> Brooks Tegler are well worth hearing.

IMO they are all worth hearing Marek. I've gigged with many of them  
once or twice. e.g.The Washington Conservatory Traditional Jazz  
Ensemble includes such luminaries as:

Dave Robinson, Cornet: Comes from a musical family, (Scott's brother)  
He's the guy behind the Youth Band Federal Focus which garners  
accolades everywhere they go. Fine cornet/trumpet/assorted brass/  
player.

Dave Sager, Trombone - He is one of the guys responsible for the  
amazing Archeophone  recordings of King Oliver. Great audiophile,  
excellent musician, jazz and otherwise.

Howard Kadison, Drums - long New Orleans residency where he gigged  
steadily with Pete Fountain and Al Hirt. One of the best OKOM drummers  
in the business. Especially of the New Orleans beat.

ETC., ETC. Check them out at:
http://www.washingtonconservatory.org/html/wctje.htm

And Hennig Hoehne (With Mike Flaherty's Dixieland Direct), is a  
premier reed man. 30 years with the Navy Band at Annapolis (ret Master  
Chief) I used to play at Camden Yards Baltimore Ball Park with him in  
a quartet. He on Sop Sax lead and me on clarinet plus banjo tuba. He  
is an incredible player and a gas to work with.

Ditto for the rest I listed. The OKOM band scene in DC is outstanding,  
though largely unknown outside the area.

Cheers,
Steve Barbone



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:47:17 -0800
From: Nancy Giffin <NANCYink at surewest.net>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herb Gardner - trombonists
To: Dixieland Jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Bob Ringwald wrote:
>> Guess you haven't heard Bob Havens, Russ Phillips, Bill Allred or
>> Dan Barrett?

Steve replied:
> Of course I have Bob, and am quite familiar with their work.
> That's why I said "arguably".  Those who do not know Herb might
> know these trombonists with all of whom he has performed:
> Dan Barrett, Bill Allred, John Allred, Spiegal Wilcox, Cutty Cutshall,
> Vic Dickenson, Benny Moten, Tom Artin, George Masso, Dick Rath, Art Baron,
> Ed Hubble, Joel Helleny, Marshall Brown, Frank Orchard and Jim Fryer.
> 
> And that's just the short list. The list of legendary Trumpet and/or
> Clarinet players he has performed with in  Dixieland front lines would
> knock your socks off. Much too long to print here. Interested
> listmates can see it at http://www.herb-gardner.com/bio.html
> 
> Like I said arguably...

Steve, Bob, and list mates,

I did note that Steve said "arguably," knowing we all have our opinions. But
one thing I've come to realize is that we can only base our opinion on whom
we have heard performing. There are thousands of great players all around
the globe, but we have not heard them for whatever reason -- maybe they are
young, or from some small country, or primarily being an educator (yes,
gasp, some educators can also be top performers), or simply not touring and
promoting themselves very effectively. The festival circuit is but one
niche, and by no means the only niche in which we can find great musicians.

Speaking of great trombonists, I stayed up last night to watch David
Letterman, who had Bonerama as his musical guest. I wanted not only to see
sousaphonist and "Best of the Beat" winner Matt Perrine but also those two
former stars of Harry Connick's band, Mark Mullins and Craig Klein on
trombone. These two NOLA boys don't usually play Dixieland, but I have heard
them play a few trad. tunes during a small event here in Sac., and they can
really knock it out; what an awesome team that I am sure Harry Connick must
be missing very much since they left to do their own Bonerama thang.

Love and hugs,
Nancy

P.S. And may the great trombonist Glenn Dodson rest in peace, right Steve?





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