[Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland

Sat Aug 30 13:50:13 PDT 2008

Unlike many members of this list, I did not start with Lu Watters.
Actually, I first heard music with swing played by a Polish dance
band, a bit on the Glenn Miller side, in the early 1950's, when it
bcamoe "kosher" in the communist world.  And any rhythmic American
music was considered "jazz," be it R'n'R, Latin Americam music, etc.
Having come to Israel I wasted countless hours on listening to such
"jazz" musicians as Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck (who, by the way, was
very popular in Poland), J&K, MJQ, etc., courtesy of USIS library.  It
had taken me a while to sparate the wheat from the chaff, and now you
want me to go back?  No way - I'm not going to waste my time again
(not as much of it left as when I was 17).
And I would not listen to Bill Watrous either - have heard too much of
him as is.  If I want technique, I'll go to a mechanical workshop, not
a club or a theatre.
When Roswell Rudd played with a trad band, he had been told 'None of
that bebop here' (taken from the horse's mouth).
Cheers

On 30/08/2008, James Butler <jbutler6 at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> Okay you are not an idiot but for someone who has "listened" to "jazz" over
> 50 years I think you need to find out just what exactly jazz is.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote:
> > OK,
> > So I am an idiot.  Not a sin.  Probably the reason I care to reply to
> > a polite person like you.  But I have ears.  And have listened to jazz
> > for well over 50 years.  And I don't care how great the technique of
> > Cleveland was - his playing did not usually sound like jazz to me
> > (although, if I'm not mistaken, I did mention that he was closer to
> > jazz than JJ).
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2008, James Butler <jbutler6 at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Only an idiot with no knowledge of what it takes to play a trombone
> would
> > > ever disparage a talent like Jimmy Cleveland and don't give me that B.S
> that
> > > he didn't play DIXIELAND. WHEW!!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Robert Ringwald <rsr at ringwald.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Randy,
> > > >
> > > > Please explain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Fendrick"
> <jfendrick at bak.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Bob Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> > > > Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List"
> <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleveland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Give a break!  You need to watch the movie  "the gig" that puts it all
> in
> > > >> perspective.
> > > >> =-)!
> > > >> later,
> > > >> rf
> > > >> On Aug 28, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Marek Boym wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> But neither Johnson nor Cleveland played OKOM (the latter - more so).
> > > >>> Cheers
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 29/08/2008, Marty Nichols <marnichols at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Stan Brager posted:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Message: 2
> > > >>>> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:12:55 -0700
> > > >>>> From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
> > > >>>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Jimmy Cleaveland
> > > >>>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>,
> <Duke-lym at concordia.ca>
> > > >>>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > > >>>> Message-ID:
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> > > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> According to his Wiki, trombonist Jimmy Cleveland died last
> Saturday -
> > > >>>> August 23, 2008. A marvelous bop trombonists with great chops
> capable of
> > > >>>> covering the entire range of the horn with apparent ease.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cleveland
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Stan
> > > >>>> Stan Brager
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In my book Jimmy Cleveland is probably the most "unsung hero of the
> > > >>>> trombone" , and this among many, many other giants of the trombone
> who get
> > > >>>> little recognition for their efforts in jazz. I still feel pain
> when I
> > > >>>> remember that the Ken Burns jazz thing (what was it called?)
> omitted mention
> > > >>>> of the great J. J. Johnson except for a photo of J.J. in a session
> with
> > > >>>> Miles Davis. But that is off the subject; Jimmy Cleveland was
> another great
> > > >>>> that too few got a chance to hear IMO.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Marty Nichols
> > > >>>> http://www.esnips.com/web/jazztrombone
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
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