[Dixielandjazz] Fw: N.O. jazz, Chicago jazz, New York jazz

[Ulf Jagfors]

 Because your statement actually according to my opinion is an insult on the
 major influences the African American have had on the development of jazz 
in
 both Chicago and New York. What was the jazz before Oliver and Armstrong
 came to Chicago and Morton learned all races to arrange it? What was the
 jazz scene in New York until Armstrong came there and learn the white bands
 to swing? You have to learn your lessons before posting "shortest possible
 description" like yours.

 There will be no more postings from my side on this matter. I have no
 intention what so ever to start a flame debate on this list.

 Ulf

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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: "Ulf Jagfors" <ulf.jagfors at telia.com>; 
> <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] N.O. jazz, Chicago jazz, New York jazz
>
>
>> How did you infer THAT?
>> I gave the shortest possible description, on the assumption that the
>> "flow of influence" (true or false is another matter) was known to
>> all.
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 09/04/2008, Ulf Jagfors <ulf.jagfors at telia.com> wrote:
>>> Hmmm
>>> Very strange post indeed
>>> Do you really mean that the black N.O musicians had no influence on the
>>> Chicago style. Sounds like me to be the same idea that the white 
>>> invented
>>> the banjo, or have I completly misunderstood something here?
>>> Ulf
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Ulf Jagfors" <ulf.jagfors at telia.com>
>>> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] N.O. jazz, Chicago jazz, New York jazz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > To say the truth, I believe the differences irrelevant, if really
>>> > existing.  however, theoretically, at least, New Orleans was a
>>> > "collective" style, with breaks rather than solos.
>>> > Chicago was the style developed by the "Austin High" gang, even if
>>> > some of them never attended taht school, nor were real Chicagoans.
>>> > These include Frank Teschmaker, Bud Freeman, Mezz Meaarow, Jimmy
>>> > McPartland, Muggsy Spanier, Joe and Marty Marsala, Eddie Condon, and
>>> > later - Pee Wee Russell, Jack Teagarden  and Wild Bill Davison.  Their
>>> > playing was much more soloist oriented, and they sometimes replaced
>>> > the trombone with tenor sax, or used both.  Perhaps Bix, too, should
>>> > be included, as The Wolverines recorded in Chicago (actually -
>>> > Richmond, Indiana).  Black jazz from Chicago was referred to as "South
>>> > Side Chicago."
>>> > New York, too, was a "white" style, supposed not to be as hot as
>>> > Chicago, its best known representatives being Red Nichols, Miff Mole,
>>> > Phil Napoleon, Joe Venuti, etc.
>>> > Of course, in fact, they all blended together, as New York recordings
>>> show.
>>> > I hope this slightly clarifies the issue.
>>> > Cheers
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 09/04/2008, JDut953944 at aol.com <JDut953944 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Could someone explain to me the difference between the three?  I was
>>> asked
>>> > > that question yesterday and I didn't have a clue, except I know that
>>> N.O. was
>>> > > first.
>>> > >
>>> > > Carol, Clarinet
>>> > >
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