[Dixielandjazz] Band logo displays

Thu May 24 10:26:00 PDT 2007

As other people said, hold onto your hats.  That's why I like the Corrugated 
plastic signs I made up for several people here for a Manhasset stand. 
There is no more wind surface than the stand itself so wind doesn't really 
affect it any more than the stand by itself.

Personally I don't care for banners in a music situation because of that 
very reason.  But, if someone must hang a banner in a windy place I can send 
the drawings and instructions that I give my customers to do that.  They are 
mostly to keep the banner from being damaged though.

If a band uses banners they need to put a heavy duty bungee in each corner 
so the thing can spill the wind in a gust or what ever it's tied to will 
become like the Santa Maria and go sailing off.  If you must tie off a 
banner with rope you use the top grommets and the bottom ones need to be 
tied off with bungees so the wind can spill.  The other thing people do is 
cut 4-6" D holes in the banner to spill the wind which is an ugly solution.

Some years ago the AF band I was in had a fairly large sign about 2 1/2' x 3 
1/2'.  It had a frame and Plexiglas on it so it wasn't light.  It was on a 
tripod stand and a gust sent that thing off into the audience like a 
Frisbee.  Unless you have a lot of liability insurance I don't recommend 
anything that will sail off and hurt someone.  It isn't worth it.  When I 
went into the sign business I refused to do any installations of signs.  For 
two reasons.  The first being the liability of a sign blowing or falling off 
into someone or something and the second is that in my county there are 
licenses that a business has to have along with a lot of insurance.

In another case I had just designed a mud flap for the Swift trucking 
company and they ordered several thousand.  One of the flaps went sailing 
off a truck and went through a windshield and they got sued.  Now they use 
another one of my designs that doesn't have their name on it.

The best thing is go small or not at all in windy conditions.  12 x 18 is a 
good size.  You could also make a 12 x @24" vertical sign that would wire 
tie to a mike stand.  Easy to attach and easy to remove with wire cutters. 
I have been thinking about doing that with a piece about 8" wide with just 
Larry vertically on it or possibly a thin one with my website on it.

I don't know if you use monitor speakers but you might have a sign attached 
to the sloping side or back of them.  In the case of a floor monitor it 
would work out pretty well as a sign mount.
Larry
St. Louis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russ Guarino" <russg at redshift.com>
To: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Band logo displays

> Larry,
>
> If you perform outdoors, what happens in the breeze?
>
> Russ Guarino
>
> "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis" wrote:
>
>> Rick
>> What you may want is a banner.  Most sign shops can print on canvas like
>> material.  The only problem with it is getting it to hang straight so a
>> pocket needs to be sewn in the bottom to house a steel rod or pipe to 
>> make
>> it hold straight.  A similar pocket in the top (folded over the stand 
>> about
>> a foot or so) can house a bungee cord to wrap around the stand and hook 
>> to
>> hold it.  Mike Brooks had some similar banners  made up for the AF band 
>> for
>> their 50th anniversary to hang from Herald Trumpets.  They had gold bound
>> edges and looked good.  There isn't any reason that you couldn't do the 
>> same
>> thing off the front of a stand.  I have never used this kind of front
>> because it's hard to keep banners or any kind of cloth free of wrinkles 
>> and
>> getting it to hang out straight.  That's why I prefer a rigid sign
>>
>> I make a sign for Manhasset stands that is about 21 wide x 24 tall. 
>> Folded
>> in half on the corrugations it makes a good sign that is held on by the
>> weight of the book or by the lamp clip.  I remove about 4 of the
>> corrugations so it will hang right and cut a square hole in the 
>> corrugations
>> about 1" square to pass a light clamp through.   I have made several of
>> these for my friends here.  They fold flat and weigh almost nothing. 
>> They
>> can be made to be full height of the stand if you want.   The sign 
>> hanging
>> off the front of the stand is 21 x 14 with 10" on the music side of the
>> stand.  No clips no bungees but some Velcro would be a good addition to 
>> keep
>> the thing from sliding around.
>>
>> Right now I don't have any photos of the signs but they are easy to make 
>> and
>> any sign shop can make them for you.  I can get some photos of them next
>> week if you are interested or I can send you a diagram on how they are 
>> made.
>> Too bad I didn't see this - I could have taken photos last night for you.
>>
>> The other alternative is to get a corrugated stand from Mike Brooks
>> www.embeeideas.com he has recently upgraded his technology and can do 
>> some
>> really sharp stuff.
>>
>> There are sign shops that can directly print on stiff plastic like
>> corrugated plastic or expanded foam board.  It's really sharp looking.
>> There may be a shop near you than can do this.
>> Larry
>> St. Louis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Larry Walton" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
>> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:47 PM
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Band logo displays
>>
>> > RICK KNITTEL <knittelsportland at juno.com>
>> >
>> >> Hello Listmates;
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone direct me to a source for cloth drapes to hang from a music
>> >> stand on which to put band logo?
>> >
>> > Hello Rick:
>> >
>> > Can't answer that but here's an alternative. You can create a jpeg of 
>> > your
>> > logo. Then take it to a printer and have him convert it to a hard back
>> > poster which you can then fame. It lasts forever, and can be placed in 
>> > the
>> > venue window, or on an easel, or leaned up against almost any surface, 
>> > or
>> > hung on a wall.
>> >
>> > See my website for our logo: http://www.barbonestreet.com. It is based 
>> > on
>> > Toulouse Lautrec's poster of cabaret performer Aristide Bruant.
>> >
>> > It is on 24 by 42 inch framed, color poster and cost about $150 several
>> > years ago. Looks great, travels well, and always generates comments. 
>> > Even
>> > by
>> > those who stare directly at it and ask what the name of the band is. 
>> > :-)
>> > VBG
>> > I put an 8 by 10 inch color copy of it in a plastic fame, which holds 
>> > the
>> > band business cards, next to it. Logo is also on the cards.
>> >
>> > Even had requests from 2 different schools to sell them the poster for
>> > their
>> > art classes. Sent them the jpeg figuring it was good advertising.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Steve Barbone
>> >
>> >
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