[Dixielandjazz] Blanket Statements?

[Scott Anthony]

<meant to send to the list but just sent to Steve alone by accident>

Just a start for dedicated jazz camp teachers in no particular order:

Katie Cavera - banjo/guitar
Clint Baker - almost anything
Hal Smith - drums
Bill Dendle - banjo/guitar
Rusty Stiers - trumpet
Anita Thomas - reeds
Ed Metz Jr. - drums
Jason Wanner - piano
Eddie Erickson - banjo
Westy Westenhofer - tuba and bass
Bria Skonberg - trumpet
Jackson Stock - trombone
George Probert - soprano sax
John Hall - drums
Marilyn Keller - vocal
Tom Jacobus - tuba
John Goodrich - reeds
Claire McKenna - clarinet
Dan Comins - cornet
Jim Buchmann - reeds
John Reynolds - banjo/guitar
Dick Maley - drums
Shelly Burns - vocals
me - banjo/guitar

Not to mention the JazzSea Jammers, led by Dick Williams (who should
probably get a Nobel Prize for doing it), that gives adult players of all
levels of ability a chance to play in front of an audience. They play almost
as many sets on a typical JazzSea cruise as all the regular invited bands on
the cruise put together, plus they are now playing sets at the San Diego
Thanksgiving Dixieland Jazz Festival.

I think this is way more than "Damn few," thank you very much.

Scott Anthony

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
To: <santh at pacbell.net>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Blanket Statements?


> "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I am very sorry for my (I guess you could call it an outburst).
>>
>> It was very rude of me and I should not have sent such a message out on
>> DJML.  For that, I apologize.
>>
>> Let me say that it was not sent, as you say below, because of a dislike 
>> of
>> you or jealousy of you.  I really do not know you.  We have never met in
>> person and as far as I know, there is nothing about you that I should be
>> jealous of.
>>
>> Your blanket statements irritate me.  Often  they make me angry.
>>
>> We have a great mentoring program out here in Sacramento.  Personally, if
>> a good youth player comes in, I would ask him/her to sit in.
>>
>> So, what I should have said was "Do not speak for everyone."  Perhaps in
>> your area what you say is true.  But it is not true everywhere else.
>>
>> If you would have qualified your statement by saying, "In my area," then
>> your comments would have been valid.  But to do a blanket statement, is
>> incorrect.
>>
>> Yes, you said "Damn few."  In my opinion, speaking from my experience out
>> here on the left coast, this is not true.
>>
>> Again, let me apologize to you and to our fellow listmates for my rude
>> comments.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>
> Dear Bob:
>
> I accept your apology. And agree wholeheartedly with what you say in your
> post above except that you still characterize my post as a blanket 
> statement
> and speaking for everyone. That is not what I said in any way shape or 
> form.
>
> My post is repeated below. Please note that the context of it is from
> personal experience.
>
>>Amen Don:
>
>>I was mentored by almost every jazz player I got to know in the 40s-50s. 
>>Hank
>>D'Amico, Thelonious Monk, Yank Lawson, Chuck Traeger, Sal Pace, Pee Wee 
>>Erwin
>>and a whole bunch of other guys OKOMers wouldn't recognize.
>
>>Yessir, they all helped young kids. Today? Damn few take the time to 
>>personally
>>get involved with kids. And when you do, many of your fans and fellow 
>>musicians
>>ask you why you do it. Like they resent it. Go figure?
>
>>Shoot, when I started seeking out open mic nights, and/or places to sit in 
>>in
>>1990 when I picked up the horn again after a 30 year layoff, the most 
>>unhelpful
>>cats were the Dixielanders. So I ended up playing with the young kids of 
>>modern
>>jazz on open mike nights. The modern jazzers were much more helpful and
>>encouraging to this old moldy fig who wanted to play again.
>
>>Different times indeed.
>
> The entire post refers specifically to what happened to me. It certainly
> "Do(es) not speak for everyone." as you insisted a second time above. And
> they certainly do not speak for YOU personally which seems to be how you
> took it. I don't think I've ever tried to speak for everyone in any post,
> and in fact, chide those who do.
>
> As far as my posts go, some are meant to make people think. If that annoys
> some folks, well, that's unfortunate and frankly, their problem.
>
> Regarding the "damn few take the time to get personally involved with 
> kids",
> I stand by that statement. Letting a young player who happens to come by,
> sit in from time to time, while laudable, does not come close to personal
> involvement.
>
> Jazz camp teaching, helping the kids progress in jazz through tutoring,
> boosting their confidence, imparting musical knowledge and common sense 
> gig
> knowledge to them, on a one to one basis, etc., is what I would say is
> getting personally involved. And oh yes, GETTING THEM PAYING GIGS is 
> perhaps
> the most important personal involvement we can accomplish.
>
> We all know musicians who do get personally involved with helping kids.
> Folks like Dave Robinson, but how many are there like Dave?
>
> If anyone thinks that we have a plethora of Dixieland Musicians who really
> get personally involved with mentoring kids, lets start a list. I would
> think that given the vast universe of Dixieland Musicians out there, that
> list is going to be VERY SMALL by comparison.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
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