[Dixielandjazz] Fw: Al Hirt: Not jazz?

[Don Ingle]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Ingle" <dingle at nomadinter.net>
To: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>; "DJML" 
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Al Hirt: Not jazz?


> One needs to be careful when assigning any praise or fault to musicians. 
> An example is Clyde McCoy. He made a good  living playing what some would 
> call "corny", muted schtick numbers. But I also heard his road band play 
> some straight ahead trad jazz without any wa wa mutes, ad they swumg like 
> mad.
> Pee Wee Hunt made a hit with his cornball recoding arrangement on 12th 
> Street Rag, but he was a very fine jazz trombonist, a long time mainstay 
> of the Casa Loma band and had worked with a number of the Goldkette bands 
> in Detroit, sometimes in company wiht Bix, many times with my dad, yet he 
> is remembered for hsi Doo-wakka-doo-wacka 12th. Street Rag. (Anngement I 
> might add by Rosey McHargue who also played clainet on the recording. )
> My dad (Red Ingle) was noted for his comedy covers of pop songs in a 
> hillbilly, take, yet he held his own along side Bix, Tram and others when 
> he worked with Goldkette, and later with Ted Weems and Spike Jones. He 
> played fine tenor, clar and bass clarinet, and baritone sax, and a load of 
> jazz fiddle.  But hw is seldom ever thought of as a jazz man. Al Hirt made 
> very successful recordings of pop styled numbers -- they paid the bills 
> and kept some good players maing a living in the business. If you want to 
> judge him only by his pop sides,  he might not seem to be a "jazz" 
> player -- but I had the pleasure of hearing him play in N.O. up close and 
> on standard material he was a very fine player and comfortable with the 
> style we call trad.
> I think that lables are given too hastily without the full knowledge that 
> would back them. If you like the way a man plays, good, if you do not then 
> don't listen. But be careful with making those absolutes and labels 
> becasue those who know all the facts will catch you up every time.
> My opinion, mine only, and that's all it is.
> Don Ingle
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Al Hirt: Not jazz?
>
>
>> What a bunch of BS.  Al Hirt was a great Jazz musician.  So he had
>> phenomenal technique and had some pop hits in the  60s.  That did not 
>> make
>> him "Not a Jazz musicians."
>>
>> Sometimes I wonder...
>>
>> --Bob Ringwald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Fr M J (Mike) Logsdon" <mjl at ix.netcom.com>
>> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:08 AM
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Al Hirt: Not jazz?
>>
>>
>>> This, from a blurb from a new Hirt CD
>>> (http://www.worldsrecords.com/cgi-bin/storeR.cgi?cart_id=01-23-07.wrnr1.13019&specific=itemcode&phrase=60077):
>>>
>>> "This CD assembles selections from Al Hirt's four-decade career and
>>> celebrates the joy in music. Al Hirt was an insturmental pop phenomenon
>>> during the 60's - a pop, commercial musician, and had a succesful 
>>> format.
>>> He is not a jazz trumpet and never was a jazz trumpet."
>>>
>>> Maybe not ONLY jazz, but not jazz at all?  Would Mr Hirt agree with 
>>> this?,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Etc,
>>>
>>> Fr M J (Mike) Logsdon, Vicar-general
>>> North American Old Roman Catholic Church (Utrecht Succession)
>>> Archdiocese of California
>>> www.naorc.org
>>>
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