[Dixielandjazz] Doodle tonguing ??

[Stan Brager]

Craig;

Here's how it was explained to me. Try saying "doodle" over and over many
times. Now, try "tu-ku" many times. Notice the difference? If not, repeat
the above exercise and note how your tongue is moving. Notice the
difference? If not, that's OK, too.

Stan
Stan Brager
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig I. Johnson" <civanj at roadrunner.com>
To: "Dave Dustin" <DDustin at nobisengineering.com>
Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:48 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Doodle tonguing ??


> Think I've heard this term before and can't argue that McChesney may
> have written it
> that way, but I think the original term for that was "double-tongueing".
> (there's also
> "triple tonguing" -- in which doouble tonguing is using the tongue and
> back of the mouth (Pallete?)
> alternately to produce a quick pair of notes using the sylables "tu-ku"
> as in
> tu-ku-tu-ku-tu-ku-tu-ku for 8 fast notes in a row and triple tongueing
> is tu-tu-ku, tu-tu-ku
> to turn out 2 sequential triplets. Standard in classic trumpet teaching
> any way.
> This takes constant practice.- easy on the same note, -- a bitch when
> trying to
> coordinate the fingers and these mouth contortions at high speed.(on
> trumpet)
> I would think even harder on slide(!)  trombone.
>
> As Yogi Berra might say: "If that's not it then it must be something
> else that's the same."
>
> Craig  (I don't double  tongue anymore since I got my upper plate) Johnson
>
>
> Dave Dustin wrote:
>
> >Criss, it's not how many notes, it's the right notes.  But if you want
> >to try selling trombone by the pound, Bob McChesney has published a
> >great resource (book plus CD) on doodle-tonguing.  ("Doodle Etudes for
> >Trombone"?)  You can find it through Google.  If you can master that you
> >too can have perfect intonation and articulation of 8-bar 32nd note
> >riffs like pure "modern jazz" trombonists McChesney, Bill Watrous, and
> >Conrad Herwig, et al.  I've been making tremendous progress: I figure in
> >about 20 more years I'll just about have it down.  Course it would help
> >if I could figure out how to doodle AND get up and down scales at the
> >same time.  (Why does it all have to be so hard?)
> >
> >I listen awestruck to these spectacular modern trombonists doodle
> >crisply through their lines -- not that I can recognize any songs. And
> >then I come back to Jack Teagarden, who may or may not have
> >doodle-tongued (I don't honestly know, but he sure had perfect lip
> >control).  I KNOW I'd give my left leg to sound even halfway like him
> >and not the best doodler emerging from Julliard, Berklee or North Texas
> >today.  (May Jack rest in peace.)
> >
> >David Dustin
> >
> >
> >
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