[Dixielandjazz] FW: mp3, CD etc. and DAT

Fri Nov 10 21:14:07 PST 2006

I have been having trouble finding the mini disks.  I also have a component 
mini disk unit in my music room.  I'm not sure but their encryption may only 
be on the highest capacity setting.  The one hour setting may not be 
encrypted and may transfer normally.  I'm not really sure.  Have you tried 
to transfer digitally with any success?  I have a friend with one and he 
uses an audio patch cord for transfer like I do.
Larry
 St. Louis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Hayes" <Ron at pac-mar.com>
To: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis" <larrys.bands at charter.net>; 
<jim at kashprod.com>; <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] FW: mp3, CD etc. and DAT

I have used a Sony MiniDisc recorder for a couple of years.
It fits in your shirt pocket. I use a separate Sony microphone, which
has an longer cord.
The unit will use the 1 Gig MiniDisc, as well as the smaller ones. I
have a whole collection now.
For quick copies, I burn to CD with my PC.
Quality of recording can be adjusted. It is about $400, plus about $80
for a decent mic.
It has a case for an auxiliary battery to supplement the rechargeable.
The only downside is the Sony cryptic documentation.
I also transfer my CDs to discs as well for travel.
Ron Hayes
Puddin' River Jazz Band

-----Original Message-----
From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Walton Entertainment - St. Louis
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:31 AM
To: jim at kashprod.com; dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: mp3, CD etc. and DAT

There are a whole bunch of options now.  Go to www.musiciansfriend.com
and they have quite a few that range from a couple hundred up.  The ones
that are most portable use camera memory and if you want to record for a
long time you can just use several of them which are becoming quite
cheap.

I use a Sony walkman recorder which is about the size of a Klondike bar.
I use their dual mike with switchable coverage.  Sorry I don't have it
right now to give you a number.  The mike that comes with them picks up
motor noise if plugged directly into the recorder.  The whole thing can
be hung from a mike stand.  I usually just leave the recorder on the
floor at the base of the stand or wrap a rubber band around it and the
stand so it moves with the stand.  They make quite good digital
recordings but you have to transfer the music via a standard patch cord
into an editing program.  If you use their software the files are
transferred but then are removed from the disk.  It's something to do
with copyright.  They don't want you to have multiple copies of
copyrighted work.  I can't tell if there is any deterioration in the
sound using an audio patch cord.  The only thing that is annoying is the
automatic volume control shuts down and makes sort of a whoosh sound if
you put it too close to a banjo or tambourine.  It's very quick though.
I think these without the mike cost about $250.

I wanted something that would fit in a case and be very light.

I like the solid state memory recorders they have out and some are quite
inexpensive and also small.
Larry
St. Louis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kashishian" <jim at kashprod.com>
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW: mp3, CD etc. and DAT

> Bill Gunter asked, referring to hard disc recording:
> However, there is the problem of such technology being made compact
> and portable so that recording in the field is feasible and I have
> zero idea of what exists currently to deal with this issue. I would
> think that DAT is rapidly becoming obsolete.
>
>
> Da world goes 'round & 'round, Bill!  When portable DAT recorders
> became available to on-site recording engineers (for film work),
> people were reluctant to ditch their beloved analogue tape recorders,
> not trusting the new fangled small tape & having their audio in a
non-linear format.
>
> DAT can record, on a separate track, the time code which is slaved to
> the cameras for automatic sync of picture & sound, so it was certainly

> a viable replacement for the more cumbersome analogue recorders.
>
> And, surprise, surprise, Hollywood was the last to make the
changeover!
> (The U.S. is always reluctant to change in the professional audio
> world....curious, huh??)  The changeover will not be "rapid", Bill.
> It is still not fully accepted in Europe, so expect to see tape
> recording in Hollywood for a good while.
>
> Today, you can buy an 8 track hard disc field recorder from hhb, the
> same crowd I mentioned on DJML yesterday.  Go again to
> http://www.hhb.co.uk/hhb/usa/index.asp & click on PORTADRIVE to read
> all about it if you're interested.  Being a professional recorded for
> film work, they are way over the top for domestic music recording, and

> I only mention it here as Bill asked.
>
> I already mentioned I supply most of the film makers in Spain with
> their DAT tapes (I handle the hhb brand), and although many are buying

> into the hard disc recorder idea, most are still using their DAT
> recorders, as those die-hards with their analogue tape recorders did
> when DAT was introduced.
> Change comes slowly.
>
> My only complaint with hard disc recorders in such a delicate area
> such as film recording is, if there's a problem with a hard disc, you
> lose the whole days audio, whereas on digital tape, a glitch usually
> is miliseconds, and you can usually find a similar word or syllable to

> patch into the hole, or bring the actor in for an overdub.  That is
> why the portable recorder mentioned above records onto its hard disc &

> onto a DVD at the same time.
> The DVD is a mix-down of the 8 tracks to 2, I believe, and they say it

> is to give the director the instant chance to hear his day's audio
> takes already mixed.  Just happens to be a nice little safety copy in
> case the hard disc blows the days recording!
>
> Any kind of misgivings like that, however, are completely frowned upon

> by the hard disc advocates, and will brand the speaker as being "old",

> or old fashioned....a death toll in the audio business!
>
> I was the very first person to record audio to hard disc in all of
> Spain in 1987.  I was invited to huge meetings, carrying my two huge
> bricks that amounted to a total of 700 megabytes of hard disc, to
> speak on the technology.  At one meeting of audio experts where I felt

> completely out of place, knowing that really I'm really just a
> trombonist that happened to be in the right place at the right time, I

> was challenged by the expert on digital tape recording at the meeting.

> "Limited headroom, etc., etc.", said he!  My answer, was "if you need
> to manipulate the audio, then hard disc is the only answer".
>
> That is the escence of the argument between hard disc & tape.  The
> fact that tape is disappearing from the market will require everyone
> to end up on hd only, obviously.  Doesn't mean that tape wasn't good,
> and didn't have a place in the recording industry, though.
>
> P.s. I just bought a memory stick the size of a thumb nail for my Sony

> digital camera that has 1 GB of memory.....which is really weird when
> I think about my two original recording "bricks"!  What a world we are

> living in, the speed of the innovation!
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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