[Dixielandjazz] Slide/valve

Dave Hanson jazzdude39 at comcast.net
Mon Jun 19 15:18:20 PDT 2006

Jim & Don,

I agree with your comparison of the slide vs. valve thing. When I went to New Orleans in 1966 I had a King 3B slide and valve combo. I hadn't played the valve section much, so on this steady I would play the slide on one set and then go to the valve. 
I learned a valuable lesson.....they are two different and distinct horns. I was told I sounded
far different on the slide than on the valve, but the club owner let me play them anyway.
Jim Trimble and Bruce Paulson came into town with Buddy Rich and I loaned them the valve section as they were both playing 3B's. The first time Buddy heard Jim playing, he told him to get rid of it and the same with Bruce. I'll never forget that one, but all three of us enjoyed many after hours session using that valve section.
Funny thing is, I don't remember what happened to that horn. Oh well !


Dave Hanson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dingle at baldwin-net.com 
  To: jim at kashprod.com 
  Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Slide/valve

  Jim Kashishian wrote:

  >Don wrote:
  >To my sinner ways ( a love for the valve trombone that gets so many sneers
  >on this list from slide snobs<G>) this fine player had a nice, melodic style
  >that blended well in the ensembles and were easy on the ear. 
  >Hoping I'm not one of those "snobs" you mention, Don, I just consider the
  >valve trombone as being a completely different horn than the slide trombone.
  >I don't think that anyone should try to compare them.  Also, and this is not
  >a slur (pun intented!), most valve trombone players have come from being
  >trumpet players, so their improvisational ideas come from there, also, which
  >gives them a completely different sound to the horn than their slippier
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  And then there's Randy Rhinhardt -- who plays either -- I know, since he 
  grabbed byVT on a fast romp on DaDa Strain while I had to play his 
  cornet onthe f ly with the Sons of Bix at the Annual Bix Birthday Bash 
  in Illinois, and it was taped. Jolly good romp.
  I do have a bass line mentality whenplaying ensemble and play the right 
  counterpuntal lines where they should be.
  The nature of the horn means less slur and gliss,though you can do some  
  simple ones with half valved and lip bends.
  And no -- I did not count you in the "snob"  group, but have caught 
  enough of the bad mouting about valver trombones having no plaes in OKOM 
  here on the list. To those misguided sould I recommend the Freeman Summa 
  Cum Laude sides and rest my case.
  But to make my case, one of the CD soon to wing your way is some live 
  stuff with the Sons of Bix -- and the infamous quick change with Randy 
  on my VT and me on his Getzen. Chaos is not all that bad!

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