[Dixielandjazz] Post-Genre Music?

[tcashwigg at aol.com]

Hi Ed:


No no no my good buddy you are mistaking Hep Cat for "PIMP"s and 
PLAYERS :))

I remember well all the Hep Cats in the late 50,s 60,s and worked with 
some of them,  I still have the Alpaca sweaters to prove it  and peg 
legged pants too.  :))   Your thinking of the Zoot Suiters .

Cheers,

 Still Tom "Hip to the Jive" Wiggins   and Still wimpin' & a Pimpin'

-----Original Message-----
From: boreda at sbcglobal.net
To: tcashwigg at aol.com; dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Post-Genre Music?

    Tom I take exception to your describing "Hep Cats" as to Mister 
Rogers, Andy Williams.
  
  I think in the late 30's and early 40's there was a cartoon character 
who would be the epitome of "Hep Cat", he was depicted with a large 
brimmed hat, peg pants with wide knees, a long gold chain, long drape 
jacket but can't remember his shoes. This was a gross characterization 
of the dress of several ethnic groups. The so-called fad of the Ducks 
A** haircut so prominent in the 50's was truly a hairdo from 
the pre-war 40's, taken from the "Pachuco". "Hep Cat"  being an 
expression common in the 30's and 40's. Lyrics from a Cab Calloway 
tune, that era, "are you hep to the jive?".  If I remember Cab's stage 
clothes of that time were similar 
  
  In 1940/41, I sported a similar dress and hairdo, when I had hair, 
less the wide brimmed hat and gold chain. I was "Hep to the Jive". I 
was into Swing and OKOM, a definite loner at high school with all the 
girls drooling over Frank.
  
 Slainte
 A fabulous NEW YEAR  toall
  
 Ye Olde Mouldy Fygge
  
 Ed Coltrin 
  
     

tcashwigg at aol.com wrote:
 Nope ! does not lend itself well to Marketing, and if a newbie heard
some MUSIC that they did not like and that was their only experience at
say a live music event, they would probably turn away and not go to
another one. :))

Would be the same situation of just calling it generic "BEER", the
advertising industry would just lose far too much money and jobs, the
newbies like to Discover things and cherish them as something they
found all on their own without mom & dad forcing them to accept it.

Sort of like many of my generation took on Rock & Roll to get away from
many of those so called Hep Cats who looked really funny to us at that
age, not to mention how funny they dressed all trying to look like Mr.
Rogers, or Andy Williams. :)) I guess Woody Allen is still trying to
look like that.

Real Musicians and Successful entertainers have mostly tended to dress
for success and that meant dress up better than your audiences if
possible, or at least suitable to be in their company. I never saw
Louis Armstrong without a suit, and also never saw John Lee Hooker
without a Suit on, even working in his garden. Hey even Doctors put
on Uniforms to identify them as Doctors and add to their respect, would
you go into any hospital and let some guy who looked like a cabbie or
plumber operate on you ? :)) I don't think so.

I say let's put some class back into the Music and on the stage and we
will see some class come back to the audience, and maybe even start to
attract an audience again. :)) There are a lot more of them than us
folks, and J.C. Penny said the Customer is always Right, and I believe
in that theory even if I know the customers is dead wrong, so what!
he/she paid so we should do all we can within reason to make them happy
and keep 'em coming back, there are of course a few exceptions to this
as we have discussed on here before. :))

Leave them with a pleasing and good experience, "That is what they came
for" unless of course they are throwing rotten veggies at you.!

Cheers,

Tom "Do it right and get the Hell out of Town with the Money" Wiggins

-----Original Message-----
From: DWSI at aol.com
To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Post-Genre Music?

All of the talk about getting the youth into OKOM seems to assume
our
musical category is a sub category of the bigger category generally
called
"jazz."
At Rutgers Unviersity, where I manage the adult education courses in
writing,
(when I'm not playing ragtime piano), one teacher came up with a course

called Post-Genre Poetry. In it, he assumes that poetry has moved
beyond genres,

or types or categories of music, and now poets are more or less free
agents.
As I think about it, isn't that what has happened to an awful lot of
art
forms? We've heard of fusion, and cross-over, but what if there isn't
any more
need for the traditional genres? What if it's just "music" from here
on? Does
this work for anyone out there?

Dan (backup piano) Spink
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