[Dixielandjazz] Who is playing OKOM?

Mon Aug 21 13:18:12 PDT 2006

Tom Said
I doubt that
the Immigration service even has any idea where they are these days
either,  should have given them all a COW

That cracked me up.  When my son in law (a Canadian) came through the 
bureaucracy to get his resident status it was a nightmare.  It wasn't only 
our government but the Canadians were pretty inept too.  Did you know that 
Canada has four different birth certificates and only one of those counts. 
To acquire that you have to be in Canada more or less because you have to 
have an official request it.  Got the picture if you aren't there then you 
can't get a judge, school official or anyone else official to request it. 
If you leave the country to get it you can't get back in because they now 
have your name and from that point consider you to have entered the country 
illegally.  Fortunately his uncle was a retired judge and we got through 
that.  Even so the delays took months and his temporary status was revoked 
which we didn't know about because they didn't bother to notify him. About 
this point they got his applications misfiled.   The office that handles 
these requests in Canada apparently is grossly understaffed and his requests 
were both lost in the paperwork and each time he called and wrote them they 
treated it as a new request which went to the end of the line.  It took 
almost a year to get a simple birth certificate from them.  Telephoning 
these guys literally took hours to get through.   The enormous amount of red 
tape and paperwork along with numerous visits to immigration (homeland 
security) was daunting.  They allowed us to re file after they had misfiled 
his paperwork and had gotten to know us because of the many visits. No 
matter we had to pay again which was hundreds of dollars.  Each form has a 
fee averaging about $100.

And this was all because my daughter married him in Canada and they couldn't 
handle that.  I guess there are a lot of scams out there to get into this 
country.

I really feel sorry for the poor slob from somewhere who doesn't speak the 
language very well to try all those forms and to deal with the person behind 
the little glass window.  No wonder they go underground.

Each time we visited we were concerned that a marshal would come out and 
handcuff him and haul him off.  My daughter was a nervous wreck

Actually the birth certificate debacle with the Canadian bureaucracy was the 
major cause of grief and in a way I can see some of it.  Woe to the person 
who lets in a bad guy.

I agree with you in that going independent with recordings, especially with 
the equipment and services available today, would be a good idea for 
musicians to try.

St. Louis hasn't had an OKOM festival for maybe 8 years.  I was at the last 
one in St. Charles MO and I thought it was fairly well attended but nothing 
like the attendance on the levy.  I think it was a mistake to move it But I 
guess they weren't making enough money.
Larry
St. Louis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tcashwigg at aol.com>
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Who is playing OKOM?

Hi Larry:

   No,  Not all blacks living in america are necessarily Americans,
although yes many of them are and most likely the majority, but there
have been Blacks migrating to the USA for decades from many other
places and they have not all become citizens for sure.  I doubt that
the Immigration service even has any idea where they are these days
either,  should have given them all a COW when they arrived then we
could track them and sign them up to vote.  :))   There are also a lot
of them in New Orleans and Mississippi right now who don't feel much
like Americans either.    We have many Blacks from Cuba, Haiti,
Dominican Republic, Egypt, and all other parts of the world all Black s
are not American and not all are from Africa, even though they may have
definite roots there centuries ago.

As for African Jazz Hits:

Check out artist like:

Hugh Masekella,  He had a classic Jazz hit :  Grazing in the Grass

Miriam Makeba  has  many classic  Jazz hits

Just the first two who come to mind.

Not Dixieland by any means or even considered by most on this list to
be OKOM,  but great Jazz anyway.

I don't know if they ever played St. Louis or not but they have played
almost every major Jazz festival in the world for many years, if us
jazzers want to expand our experiences,  ( some do and some don't) and
that' Ok too,  we have to change the radio dial once in a while and
listen to what creative things others are doing and where they are
taking music to.   We of course do not have to like it personally, but
at least we have heard it and can admire what they have done if they
have found an audience for it.

   The major record industry probably slid them over into "World Music"
to market them just like they have done many other genres of Jazz to
dissipate it even further, causing the retail sales numbers to plummet
for many years under JAZZ because they kept calling it something else.
Even with all that happening most people outside the USA consider a lot
more music Jazz than what we call Jazz here and it is
primarily because of our constant change in Marketing approaches which
often turn out to be short lived and self destructive to the market in
general.   When retail sales fall substantially major record labels
always bail out and run, even though most of the time it is because
they dropped the ball on marketing and promoting the music and the
artist themselves.
  The accountants and lawyers that have been running  the record
industry for the past thirty odd years are rather short sighted and
many not even musical at all.  where have all the Creative people gone
??  back to independent production, hence the  greatest opportunity in
history for artists to finally get a fair piece of the action if they
are not too lazy to go educate themselves somewhat and use the internet.

Cheers,

Tom Wiggins

-----Original Message-----
From: larrys.bands at charter.net
To: jazzboard at hotmail.com; dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Who is playing OKOM?

   > 2. American's didn't invent jazz. It's African and it's BLACK!
 ________________________________
  I could have missed something but aren't almost all blacks who live in
the U.S. also Americans?

  I have never been to Africa but I can't recall a single tune either
jazz, popular or classic that has come out of Africa although I'm sure
there are some. Now it seems to me that if Africa is where jazz
originated you would think that there would still be a great jazz
industry there. The common belief is that the basic elements were there
but it took the mixing with other American and European music to bring
it to life.

  It seems everyone wants to take credit for this art form and we have a
national and international pissing contest. Personally I don't care who
invented it or where it lives now.LW

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