[Dixielandjazz] Jazz is not an American Art Form?????

[dingle at baldwin-net.com]

Steve Barbone wrote:

>"Cees van den Heuvel" <heu at bart.nl>
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>>To start: jazz is NOT an American art form. It's African and it's BLACK!
>>All Americans and Europeans are just copying African art!
>>In that way we are equal! To say it's invented in the U.S.A, is, and
>>now I quote Bill, is BULL SHIT!
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>Dead wrong Cees. Jazz is not an "African" art form. And it certainly was
>invented in the USA. With European, African, Caribbean, Asian and  Native
>American influences. That is a proven FACT of musical history. If you like,
>I can point you to many of the historical references that confirm this, but
>perhaps better if you search it out on your own.
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>>At last I'm, triggered by Bill,leaving my politeness.
>>The remarks about beer are nearly spot on, drinking Coors
>>for instance is like drinking piss, which is only acceptable in
>>SM-circumstances.
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>No argument here. My preferred beer is Grolsch.
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>>Another item: the lack of black musicians at American Jazz
>>festivals, will open up a can of worms beyond American imagination.
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>You are very mistaken, or you left out the word OKOM before "Jazz
>Festivals". No can or worms here. Most American Jazz Festivals include
>mostly black jazz musicians. Modern creators like Wynton Marsalis, Wycliff
>Gordon, Terrell Stafford, Joshua Redman, Nicholas Peyton, McCoy Tyner,
>Freddie Hubbard, Herbie Hancock, T.S. Monk, et. al., etc., etc., etc. Since
>the late 1930s, most black American jazz musicians have moved on to more
>modern forms of jazz in an effort to continue innovating. And there are many
>more modern jazz festival events in the USA than OKOM festivals.
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>Hopefully all of us realize that Dixieland, especially the re creative kind,
>is viewed by many jazz musicians and jazz fans worldwide, as musical
>necrophilia. Thus many of the world's greatest jazz musicians play more
>modern forms, and their fans follow them. Those of us involved with OKOM are
>very much in the minority.
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>That is one reason I am so keen on Randy Reinhart and Metz's Bob Cats. They
>are bringing something new to the party, not just re hashing the old stuff
>and serving it up as creative jazz.
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>>Not ducking anymore,
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>Nor should you be. 
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>Cheers,
>Steve Barbone
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I am surprised that no one has so far included the Jim Cullum band. 
Jim's band is a working band, playing daily, touring frequentky, 
working  with solid charts as a framework but allowing for a free flow 
of solos within that framework.  This band has also garnered a large 
audience via public radio on a weekly basis, and thanks to those shows 
we get to hear a great band, with great guests stars -- BLACK and White 
as well -- and with retrospectives on periods and bands of the past.
In so doing it provides a master's class in jazz history. Some of the 
bands that have been mentioned  are more often heard on a  studio 
produced CD than in person, but you do not have to go far -- to place or 
to radio knob - to hear what is arguably the best working OKOM band 
anywhere. So I am more than happy to add this name to the list that has 
been floating around this week and I say -- it's about damn time!
Don Ingle