[Dixielandjazz] European vs. American jazz

[Bill Gunter]

Hi Cees (and listmates),

I believe you just said:

>To say it's [jazz] invented in the U.S.A, is, and now I quote Bill, is BULL 
>SHIT!

Of course it was BS. I intended for it to be BS. It was a joke, the same as 
your claim that European jazz was superior to U.S.A. jazz.  Didn't you read 
my p.s. at the end of the posting?

You said that you were just trying to "stir things up" with your posting 
which I interpreted to mean that your posting wasn't necessarily the truth, 
but simply a goad to get people thinking.  So I did the same thing as you 
did.

But, in addition to posting the joke, I also added supporting evidence to 
back up my claims (which were also a joke). You didn't do that.

How old are you, Cees? As one ages one can begin to see the irony in many 
things.

Do you know what irony is?

Check it out and don't get so upset at what I say. I leave plenty of room 
for others to disagree with me . . . especially when I am being ironical.

Of course you should realize that if my posting was B.S. then yours had to 
be also.

And, by the way, do you think I was being impolite?  Oh my - I'm the 
personification and embodyment  of politeness.  Ask anyone.

Warmest regards,

Bill "Mr. Nice Guy" Gunter
jazzboard at hotmail.com






>From: "Cees van den Heuvel" <heu at bart.nl>
>To: "Bill Gunter" <jazzboard at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] New Musical DVD coming - One With Louis 
>Armstrong
>Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 02:50:29 +0200
>
>To start: jazz is NOT an American art form. It's African and it's BLACK!
>All Americans and Europeans are just copying African art!
>In that way we are equal! To say it's invented in the U.S.A, is, and
>now I quote Bill, is BULL SHIT!
>At last I'm, triggered by Bill,leaving my politeness.
>The remarks about beer are nearly spot on, drinking Coors
>for instance is like drinking piss, which is only acceptable in
>SM-circumstances.
>Another item: the lack of black musicians at American Jazz
>festivals, will open up a can of worms beyond American imagination.
>
>Not ducking anymore,
>
>Cees van den Heuvel
>http://www.revivaljassband.nl
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gunter" <jazzboard at hotmail.com>
>To: <heu at bart.nl>; <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>; 
><dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] New Musical DVD coming - One With Louis 
>Armstrong
>
>
>>Hello listmates,
>>
>>When asked if he really thought European jazz bands were superior to bands 
>>in the U.S.A., Cees van den Heuvel replied:
>>
>>>No, my goal was to stirr up things and inform
>>>U.S.A-audiences what is going on in the rest
>>>of the world, jazz wise
>>
>>Well -- in that case allow me to help stir things up a bit.
>>
>>First of all, jazz was invented here in the U.S.A. because of the 
>>confluence of elements necessary to engender a new art form - "jazz." 
>>Those elements still prevail in the U.S.A. more than in any other country 
>>on the face of the earth.
>>
>>Therefore, jazz is a constantly improving and evolving art form which only 
>>American musicians are capable of producing.  Those in other countries can 
>>only emulate the great music being nurtured in the U.S.A.
>>
>>Everyone knows, for example, that German beer is always far superior to 
>>beer brewed elsewhere on the planet. They invented it and are constantly 
>>husbanding the art form. Others, such as brewmasters in the U.S.A. can 
>>only learn and reproduce what German brewmeisters have evolved. A good 
>>example is that American beer really sucks!
>>
>>It's the same with rum in Puerto Rico, whisky in Scotland, and Chinese 
>>cuisine in Beijing. Better there than wherever it is that you and I live. 
>>We have to import it.
>>
>>In the same way, Europeans must "import" their jazz from the U.S.A.
>>
>>Sorry, that's just the way it is.
>>
>>Respectfully submitted,
>>
>>Bill "historian" Gunter
>>jazzboard at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>P.S. Some of you may disagree with my conceit outlined above but I have 
>>tried to be objective and reasonable in my observations.  Perhaps not.
>>
>>BG
>>
>>
>>
>>
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