[Dixielandjazz] sounds of the twenties

Hal Vickery hvickery at svs.com
Fri Sep 23 17:13:36 PDT 2005

There wouldn't have been a high hat.  I don't think that it was invented
until the 1930s.  I remember reading somewhere that Ray Bauduc never used

Hal Vickery

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[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Larry Walton
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Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] sounds of the twenties

I don't recall that there was a hi-hat

Larry Walton
St. Louis
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] sounds of the twenties

> Actually, we don't know WHAT rhese 20's and 30's jazz groups really
> like, so how can we judge them?
> Firstly, the drums couldn't be recorded, except cymbals, until Western
> Electric invented a sophisticated recording system during the late
> Muggsy Spanier's group made a splendid series of recordings using this
system in
> 38. Prior to that many systems consisted of just a horn into which
> played, while the engineers hassled with the egos of the guys who wanted
to out
> play everyone else .(Sidney you-know-who comes to mind)
> Then there were the scratches, which magically appeared almost as soon as
> you played the recording a few times. This old phonos were not hi fi, many
> wind up, using crude steel needles. I know. I bought a bunch of them.
> Then there were the horns which often were far from top line instruments.
> many were promptly placed in hock shops during slack times when musicians
had to
>  raise chickens (Kid Ory) for a living or maybe veggies (Bunk) Modern
> precision  manufacturing wasn't around then. Drum heads were REALLY
calfskin, and
> sagged  badly if it was humid.
> I am sure these old recordings sounded a lot better in the studio than
> did to those  who bought the new records, or we who play them nearly a
> century later. Tinny? Yes. Scratchy? Yes. Comical? often. Chairs could be
> be heard scraping, probably as the guys reached for the gin bottle  during
> sessions.
> But I love to hear these early jazz tunes re-created by modern groups
> original instrumentation. I get up off the couch and do the second  line
> strut, with my wife's umbrella, at least until she yells from the kitchen,
> it off!!"
>         Hee Hee!   tradjazz
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