[Dixielandjazz] Re: Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 30, Issue 63
Patrick Cooke
amazingbass at cox.net
Thu Jun 23 08:56:26 PDT 2005
Steve asked:
>Anyone have a suggestion for Female candidate songs? >We need a good tune
>for
>the distaff side.
You could maybe find a tune titled with her name: Margie, Mary, Louise,
Linda, Emily, Josephine, (Hello)Dolly, Bess(you is my woman), Ruby, Chloe,
Diane, Gloria, Patricia, Marie, Maria, Mame, (Hey)Jude, Cecilia, Rosalie,;
you get the idea...... Is there a tune named Hillary? I'm afraid you may
need it. :-)
Pat Cooke
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> 1. Re: La Petite Fleur (Bill Haesler)
> 2. Re: Boy/Girl songs (was 'Alice Blue Gown' in 4/4) (Bill Haesler)
> 3. "In the Mood Sax Solo" (Steve barbone)
> 4. Waltzes, & Tempo for Just The Way You Are (Steve barbone)
> 5. Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> (LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing)
> 6. RE: "In the Mood Sax Solo" (Hal Vickery)
> 7. Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> (LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing)
> 8. Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo" (Phil O'Rourke)
> 9. Live at the Landing (Vaxtrpts at aol.com)
> 10. Re: Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo" (Henry Mason)
> 11. Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo" (Bill Haesler)
> 12. Re: MUSICIAN PSEUDONYMS (Stan Brager)
> 13. Re: Re: "In the Mood"--lyrics? (Charles Suhor)
> 14. We got the job! (Elazar Brandt)
> 15. Re: Re: "In the Mood"--lyrics? (Bill Haesler)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:32:02 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: La Petite Fleur
> To: glen page <gpage at dccnet.com>, Bob Romans <cellblk7 at comcast.net>,
> dixieland jazz mail list <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BEE04022.9223%bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Dear Glen,
> Regarding your comment: >.......there are other renditions that have
> more thrust and presence than this one.<
> I certainly agree with you.
> However, what Bob Romans wanted was a music clip he could download to hear
> the whole tune.
> All of which reminds me that Benny Goodman recorded "Petite Fleur" on 30
> June 1967 (during a Rainbow grill engagement) with Joe Newman, Urbie
> Green,
> pnist Bernie Leighton, Attila Zoller, g; George Duvivier, sb; & Joe
> Marshall, d.
> For a Command LP album with a 'Paris' theme.
> I'm playing it now.
> Is this BG's only, ever, musical nod to Sidney Bechet?
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:58:58 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Boy/Girl songs (was 'Alice Blue Gown' in
> 4/4)
> To: "David W. Littlefield" <dwlit at cpcug.org>, dixieland jazz mail list
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BEE04672.9228%bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Dear David,
> Regarding your comment: >They wouldn't let male vocalists change the
> lyrics
> when they sang girl songs. A whole CD of these was released by
> Columbia/Legacy in its Art Deco series years ago.<
> I have that CD set, 'The Crooners', but didn't realise that it featured
> male
> versions of 'girl' songs!
> Nah, you're having me on.
> Or are you referring to a different album?
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:30:19 -0400
> From: Steve barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing <sign.guy at charter.net>,
> DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BEDF96FB.2CB8%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> LARRY sign.guy at charter.net wrote:( Polite Snip about In the Mood Sax Solo)
>
>> I don't know
>> actually but the Miller solos may have been played by someone and
>> transcribed. I think that the reason a lot of guys don't play the
>> written
>> solo that's in the mood is the range used. It goes from the top of the
>> horn
>> to the bottom and those Bb two octave skips at any kind of tempo requires
>> two things: a good player and a perfectly functioning horn along with
>> some
>> other considerations.
>
> Could also be that the original solo was done by two different sax
> players,
> each playing part of it.
>
> In any event, regarding Glenn Miller; He is up there with Lombardo in my
> book. Wonderful music, but boring arrangements for the musicians to play
> and
> very little jazz.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:06:28 -0400
> From: Steve barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Waltzes, & Tempo for Just The Way You Are
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BEDF9F74.2CB9%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> "David W. Littlefield" <dwlit at cpcug.org> wrote:
> "
>> Steve barbone wrote about playing "Just the way
>> you are" in 4/4 rather than bossa beat.
>>
>> Steve, what tempo do you suggest? I'm thinking rather slow--I played my
>> sheet at 88 and it seemed to work ok.
>
> Yep, that works. We played it around 90 with the 6 piece Dixieland band.
> In
> 4/4 keeping the "love song" lyrics in mind. The music says "moderately".
>
> I will do it in a jazz trio version on July 4, as a Bossa nova, with a lot
> of improv. Similar to the way the trio does Corcovado. Expect it to work
> just fine as that style of jazz also. Will also do it as a jazz Bossa nova
> at the wedding in August as "their" song.
>
> Anyone doing "New York State of Mind"? The music says "Slowly with a blues
> feel."
>
>> Re Waltzes, my rule of thumb is if a dixieland pop tune (as opposed to
>> multi-strain) has a nice distinctive chord pattern, it probably was
>> originally a waltz, eg. "My gal Sal".
>>
>> Those interested in having more waltzes at hand, including most of those
>> mentioned in this thread, might check out my fake book "Gig
>> Book"--contents
>> on my website
>> http://americanmusiccaravan.com
>
> Plug for Sheik. He is THE MASTER of Fake books. If you use them, buy his.
>
> Plug for waltzes that work as jazz tunes; "Some Day My Prince Will Come".
> We
> use it at political fund raisers/parties etc., when the candidate (Male)
> walks in. VERY EFFECTIVE, as we easily communicate the reference to
> Machiavelli's The Prince Usually in trio or quartet form with our group
> that plays The Great American Songbook Tunes as softly swinging Jazz.
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for Female candidate songs? We need a good tune
> for
> the distaff side.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:13:57 -0500
> From: "LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing" <sign.guy at charter.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: "Steve barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>, "DJML"
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <000b01c577a1$98dd3100$c8eed918 at gateway2000>
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>
> I really don't know Steve. Maybe someone else knows if the Miller solos
> were written by him or if one of the guys played them and then they were
> transcribed.
>
> If you think you can read try, an arrangement of "The broken Record" based
> on In The Mood. The story is that a kid learned how to play the tune on
> an
> old phono but unfortunately his record was cracked. It switches into all
> sorts of meters adding and subtracting beats and as I recall different
> sections play beats off at times. It's actually tough for us to play who
> can play the tune in their sleep. It's a reading monster.
>
> I agree that the tunes are boring and have little jazz quality about them.
> I think that most popular music isn't written with Jazz in mind and solos
> and jazz arrangements come later. Pop is all about the buck and it hasn't
> changed. Miller was no different.
>
> I feel sorry for the artist who has 10 or 15 or more hits. Actually even
> one counts. Those guys are caught in a twilight zone like atmosphere
> where
> they aren't allowed to do anything else but their hits. If Miller had
> lived
> another 30 years how many times do you think he would have had to play In
> the Mood? I think he would have grown to hate it.
>
> We have a one hit wonder here in town. Bob Kuban has turned his one hit
> (The Cheater) into a fairly good business and I don't think he minds
> playing
> it over and over because of the bucks. Bob was one of the early
> proponents
> of using Sax, Trumpet, Trombone as accent instruments in a rock band. The
> horn parts are really no brainers but very loud and boring but the young
> people still like him and he is still doing well..
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: "LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing" <sign.guy at charter.net>;
> "DJML"
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
>
>
>> LARRY sign.guy at charter.net wrote:( Polite Snip about In the Mood Sax
>> Solo)
>>
>> > I don't know
>> > actually but the Miller solos may have been played by someone and
>> > transcribed. I think that the reason a lot of guys don't play the
> written
>> > solo that's in the mood is the range used. It goes from the top of the
> horn
>> > to the bottom and those Bb two octave skips at any kind of tempo
> requires
>> > two things: a good player and a perfectly functioning horn along with
> some
>> > other considerations.
>>
>> Could also be that the original solo was done by two different sax
> players,
>> each playing part of it.
>>
>> In any event, regarding Glenn Miller; He is up there with Lombardo in my
>> book. Wonderful music, but boring arrangements for the musicians to play
> and
>> very little jazz.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:09:54 -0500
> From: "Hal Vickery" <hvickery at svs.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID:
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> The original "In the Mood" tenor sax solos(!)were, iirc, played on the
> 1939
> recording by Tex Beneke and Al Klink, alternating every two bars.
>
> Hal Vickery
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Steve barbone
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:30 PM
> To: LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing; DJML
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "In the Mood Sax Solo"
>
> LARRY sign.guy at charter.net wrote:( Polite Snip about In the Mood Sax Solo)
>
>> I don't know
>> actually but the Miller solos may have been played by someone and
>> transcribed. I think that the reason a lot of guys don't play the
>> written
>> solo that's in the mood is the range used. It goes from the top of the
> horn
>> to the bottom and those Bb two octave skips at any kind of tempo requires
>> two things: a good player and a perfectly functioning horn along with
>> some
>> other considerations.
>
> Could also be that the original solo was done by two different sax
> players,
> each playing part of it.
>
> In any event, regarding Glenn Miller; He is up there with Lombardo in my
> book. Wonderful music, but boring arrangements for the musicians to play
> and
> very little jazz.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:24:47 -0500
> From: "LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing" <sign.guy at charter.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: "Steve barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>, "DJML"
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <000f01c577a3$1c69d680$c8eed918 at gateway2000>
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>
> I'm sure the solos may have been by two guys in this tune. The big bands
> in
> town have some problems with their sax sections. There aren't a lot of
> guys
> that can improvise well and for them the written solos can work out but
> then
> they can't always play them very well. I have so often ripped into that
> solo
> only to have the alto player fumble through his part which is actually
> easier than the Tenor solo. So sometimes we end up the worst of both
> worlds. I'm kind of torn with working the big bands in that they don't
> pay
> well and the musicianship is often uneven but I do like to get the reading
> practice. My reading chops die quickly and I have to keep at it or it
> will
> go away.
>
> Larry
> St. Louis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: "LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing" <sign.guy at charter.net>;
> "DJML"
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
>
>
>> LARRY sign.guy at charter.net wrote:( Polite Snip about In the Mood Sax
>> Solo)
>>
>> > I don't know
>> > actually but the Miller solos may have been played by someone and
>> > transcribed. I think that the reason a lot of guys don't play the
> written
>> > solo that's in the mood is the range used. It goes from the top of the
> horn
>> > to the bottom and those Bb two octave skips at any kind of tempo
> requires
>> > two things: a good player and a perfectly functioning horn along with
> some
>> > other considerations.
>>
>> Could also be that the original solo was done by two different sax
> players,
>> each playing part of it.
>>
>> In any event, regarding Glenn Miller; He is up there with Lombardo in my
>> book. Wonderful music, but boring arrangements for the musicians to play
> and
>> very little jazz.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:37:35 +1000
> From: "Phil O'Rourke" <philor at webone.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <003601c577a4$e58863f0$faaafea9 at philsfred>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Who composed "In The Mood" and what was it's original name?
>
> Phil O'Rourke
> Australia
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:05:49 EDT
> From: Vaxtrpts at aol.com
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Live at the Landing
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>
> Just in case any of you are planing to be at the Texas Bandmasters
> Convention in San Antonio in late July, here is an announcement for you:
>
> I thought I would send a little note to all my friends who might be at the
> Texas Bandmasters Convention in July. Sunday, July 24th will be Getzen
> Night
> at the Landing (Jim Cullum's Club in the Hyatt Regency.) I will be
> performing with "Small World," a great combo from San Antonio. We will
> have friends
> sitting in, and it will be a great hang. We start at 8 PM, after the
> convention Bar B Que. Please also, come by the Getzen booth during the
> convention,
> where I will be showing my new trumpet, flugelhorn and cornet.
> I look forward to seeing many of you at the booth and at our "hang" at the
> Landing.
> Mike Vax
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:22:37 -0400
> From: Henry Mason <hcmsjo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing <sign.guy at charter.net>
> Cc: Steve barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>, DJML
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <2b55a7570506222122195bffd3 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 6/22/05, LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing
> <sign.guy at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the tunes are boring and have little jazz quality about
>> them.
>> I think that most popular music isn't written with Jazz in mind and solos
>> and jazz arrangements come later. Pop is all about the buck and it
>> hasn't
>> changed. Miller was no different. If Miller had lived
>> another 30 years how many times do you think he would have had to play In
>> the Mood? I think he would have grown to hate it.
>
> I asked Woody Herman that very question about "Woodchoppers Ball" He
> said and I quote "If you had a tune that had been as good to you as
> "Woodchoppers" has been to me you would play it on every gig too".
> Later on, I asked Buddy Morrow the same question about "Night Train"
> and got essentially the same answer. The people who REALLY hate
> night train are the sax players on the Dorsey band, because when
> Morrow calls up Night Train they have to do the sax waving
> choriography that goes with it.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:22:37 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: "In the Mood Sax Solo"
> To: Phil O'Rourke <philor at webone.com.au>, dixieland jazz mail list
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BEE0762D.923D%bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Dear Phil,
> Here are some chronological facts regarding the evolution of the ³In The
> Mood² riff, up to the 1939 Glenn Miller version, which may answer your
> question.
> Or were you just stirring the pot - again? 8>)
> 1. ³Tar Paper Stomp [Wingy¹s stomp]² (Joe Manone). Rec. Barbecue Joe Hot
> Dogs. 28 Aug 1930.
> 2. ³Hot And Anxious² (Horace Henderson). Rec. Fletcher Henderson Orch. 19
> March 1931. (The familiar OIn the Mood¹ riff is only used once.
> 3. ³There¹s Rhythm In Harlem² (Joe Garland). Rec. Mills Blue Rhythm Band.
> 9
> July 1935.
> 4. ³In The Mood² (arr. Joe Garland). Rec. Edgar Hayes Orch. 17 Feb 1938.
> (I
> do not have this. Who gets composer credit? Does it expand on the
> now-familiar riff?)
> 5. In June 1938 ³In The Mood² was copyrighted by reedman/arranger Joe
> Garland.
> 6. ³Jumpy Nerves² (Manone-Dale). Wingy Manone Orch. 26 April 1939.
> (Pianist Jimmy Dale was a composer, ASCAP member and an arranger for music
> publishers from 1929. On this version Wingy follows the 1930 ³Tar Paper
> Stomp² pattern where the OIn The Mood¹ theme is stated twice. Maybe Wingy
> was making a point by recording it again at this time. But why rename it?
> In
> his autobiography (1948) Wingy wrote about his compositions and included
> the
> comment: " 'Tar Paper Stomp' which was later 'In The Mood', and I got
> robbed
> out of it."
> 7. ³In The Mood² was also played and broadcast by Gene Krupa (Nov 1938)
> and
> Artie Shaw (several times in Dec 1938). In 1974 George Simon wrote that
> Joe
> Garland had originally given his arrangement to Artie Shaw but that Artie
> could never record it because it was longer that the usual 3 minute 20
> seconds maximum for a 78 disc. I have one of the long Shaw broadcast
> versions on LP. Glenn Miller rearranged the tune by cutting out the 32 bar
> parts in Garland¹s arrangement and concentrating on the 12 bar riff.)
> 8. ³In The Mood² (credit unknown) Van Alexander Swingtime Band. Aug 1939.
> 9. In July 1939, (according to Andy Razaf in 1992) at Glenn Miller¹s
> invitation Razaf provided Olyrics¹ to ³In The Mood" which were the basis
> for
> the Ofills¹ characteristic of Miller¹s version.)
> 10. ³In The Mood² (Andy Razaf-Joe Garland). Rec. Glenn Miller Orch. 1 Aug
> 1939.
> It therefore seems that until Ed Garland¹s arrangement, and his
> naming/copywriting of ³In The Mood², earlier recordings only stated the
> familiar riff briefly.
> There you are. As usual much more than you probably wanted.
> Wingy certainly set it in motion in 1930. Where he got the riff from from
> we
> may never know. Probably from when he was a kid in New Orleans.
> Very kind regards,
> Bill.
> PS: If you think that was quicker than usual, it was.
> I had already compiled most of the above some time ago, in answer to a
> similar query on another list.
>
> Further to the above "In The Mood" thread, a local mate of mine, Mike
> Sutcliffe, drew my attention to a longish article by Tom Myrick in the
> Summer 1991 IAJRC Journal (which I had all the time!).
> Mr Myrick covers basically what I had summarised above.
> However, two additional items from his article may be of interest,
> * Andy Razaf's lyrics are on the published sheet music of "In The Mood"
> published by Shapiro, Bernstein & Co. [Does any DJMLer have them?]
> * On the Al Donahue orch version of "In The Mood" (recorded for Vocalion
> on
> 8 Nov 1939 - 4 months after the first Miller outing) vocalist Paula Kelly
> sings the Razaf lyrics on record for the first time. Although Ms Kelly was
> to join Glenn Miller's orch in March 1941 neither she, nor anyone else,
> got
> to sing on a Glenn Miller version of "In The Mood".
> Mr Myrick's IAJRC article also mentions that, in a 1972 interview by
> George
> W Kay at the New Orleans Jazz Museum, Wingy Manone says [in part], "'Tar
> Paper Stomp" was my tune and I didn't copyright it. That was the biggest
> mistake I ever made in my life. That tune was later developed into "In The
> Mood". Glenn Miller got the credit and promised to pay me but he was
> killed
> overseas in the war."
> Mr Myrick also quotes from Variety (4 Dec 1940):
> UNTANGLE 'IN THE MOOD'.
> Joe Garland, also Wingy Manone, Collect In Settlement.
> Mixup over the song "In The Mood" was settled last week when its writer,
> Joe Garland, was paid approximately $3,500 in back royalties and Wingy
> Manone, Bandleader, received about $500 to settle his claim of
> infringement.
> Garland is sax player and sub-leader of the Louis Armstrong Band. "In The
> Mood", as recorded by Glenn Miller, is one of the records generally
> credited
> with helping to shove that band to the top last year.
> Argument and subsequent legal troubles came about when Manone filed a
> claim against Garland and the Lewis Music Co., claiming that "Mood"
> infringed on his "Tar Paper Stomp". Lewis transferred its rights to the
> song
> to Shapiro-Bernstein supposedly because it wasn't in a position to cope
> with
> Manone's claim. Transferring the rights, however, somehow confused the
> respective companies on how much was owed Garland in royalties on the
> tune.
> He enlisted legal aid of Goldfarb,Mirenberg & Vallon to represent him.
>
> As I always say, the information is out there, if only you know where to
> look.
> Regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:58:27 -0700
> From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] MUSICIAN PSEUDONYMS
> To: "AL LEVY" <jazz_man at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Al;
>
> I believe that no one mentioned Charlie Chan because his name was on the
> original list.
>
> Stan
> Stan Brager
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> From: "AL LEVY" <jazz_man at ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Charles Suhor" <csuhor at zebra.net>; "Steve barbone"
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>
>> Surprised no one mentioned Charlie Chan
>> Hint
>> His first name was Charlie
>> His wife's first name was Chan
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al
>> Pianist, Composer, Arranger, Conductor, Teacher and Music Prep.
>> Please visit me at
>> http://alevy.com
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:33:27 -0500
> From: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: "In the Mood"--lyrics?
> To: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
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> Great stuff, Bill. If someone has asked and I missed it, pardon the
> query--what are the lyrics to ITM? I remember vaguely, "Mister
> Whatchacallit, Whatcha Doin' Tonight?" but that might have been a
> strange dream.
>
> Charlie Suhor
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Bill Haesler wrote:
>
>> Dear Phil,
>> Here are some chronological facts regarding the evolution of the "In
>> The
>> Mood" riff, up to the 1939 Glenn Miller version, which may answer your
>> question.
>> Or were you just stirring the pot - again? 8>)
>> 1. "Tar Paper Stomp [Wingy's stomp]" (Joe Manone). Rec. Barbecue Joe
>> Hot
>> Dogs. 28 Aug 1930.
>> 2. "Hot And Anxious" (Horace Henderson). Rec. Fletcher Henderson
>> Orch. 19
>> March 1931. (The familiar 'In the Mood' riff is only used once.
>> 3. "There's Rhythm In Harlem" (Joe Garland). Rec. Mills Blue Rhythm
>> Band. 9
>> July 1935.
>> 4. "In The Mood" (arr. Joe Garland). Rec. Edgar Hayes Orch. 17 Feb
>> 1938. (I
>> do not have this. Who gets composer credit? Does it expand on the
>> now-familiar riff?)
>> 5. In June 1938 "In The Mood" was copyrighted by reedman/arranger Joe
>> Garland.
>> 6. "Jumpy Nerves" (Manone-Dale). Wingy Manone Orch. 26 April 1939.
>> (Pianist Jimmy Dale was a composer, ASCAP member and an arranger for
>> music
>> publishers from 1929. On this version Wingy follows the 1930 "Tar Paper
>> Stomp" pattern where the 'In The Mood' theme is stated twice. Maybe
>> Wingy
>> was making a point by recording it again at this time. But why rename
>> it? In
>> his autobiography (1948) Wingy wrote about his compositions and
>> included the
>> comment: " 'Tar Paper Stomp' which was later 'In The Mood', and I got
>> robbed
>> out of it."
>> 7. "In The Mood" was also played and broadcast by Gene Krupa (Nov
>> 1938) and
>> Artie Shaw (several times in Dec 1938). In 1974 George Simon wrote
>> that Joe
>> Garland had originally given his arrangement to Artie Shaw but that
>> Artie
>> could never record it because it was longer that the usual 3 minute 20
>> seconds maximum for a 78 disc. I have one of the long Shaw broadcast
>> versions on LP. Glenn Miller rearranged the tune by cutting out the 32
>> bar
>> parts in Garland's arrangement and concentrating on the 12 bar riff.)
>> 8. "In The Mood" (credit unknown) Van Alexander Swingtime Band. Aug
>> 1939.
>> 9. In July 1939, (according to Andy Razaf in 1992) at Glenn Miller's
>> invitation Razaf provided 'lyrics' to "In The Mood" which were the
>> basis for
>> the 'fills' characteristic of Miller's version.)
>> 10. "In The Mood" (Andy Razaf-Joe Garland). Rec. Glenn Miller Orch. 1
>> Aug
>> 1939.
>> It therefore seems that until Ed Garland's arrangement, and his
>> naming/copywriting of "In The Mood", earlier recordings only stated the
>> familiar riff briefly.
>> There you are. As usual much more than you probably wanted.
>> Wingy certainly set it in motion in 1930. Where he got the riff from
>> from we
>> may never know. Probably from when he was a kid in New Orleans.
>> Very kind regards,
>> Bill.
>> PS: If you think that was quicker than usual, it was.
>> I had already compiled most of the above some time ago, in answer to a
>> similar query on another list.
>>
>> Further to the above "In The Mood" thread, a local mate of mine, Mike
>> Sutcliffe, drew my attention to a longish article by Tom Myrick in the
>> Summer 1991 IAJRC Journal (which I had all the time!).
>> Mr Myrick covers basically what I had summarised above.
>> However, two additional items from his article may be of interest,
>> * Andy Razaf's lyrics are on the published sheet music of "In The Mood"
>> published by Shapiro, Bernstein & Co. [Does any DJMLer have them?]
>> * On the Al Donahue orch version of "In The Mood" (recorded for
>> Vocalion on
>> 8 Nov 1939 - 4 months after the first Miller outing) vocalist Paula
>> Kelly
>> sings the Razaf lyrics on record for the first time. Although Ms Kelly
>> was
>> to join Glenn Miller's orch in March 1941 neither she, nor anyone
>> else, got
>> to sing on a Glenn Miller version of "In The Mood".
>> Mr Myrick's IAJRC article also mentions that, in a 1972 interview by
>> George
>> W Kay at the New Orleans Jazz Museum, Wingy Manone says [in part],
>> "'Tar
>> Paper Stomp" was my tune and I didn't copyright it. That was the
>> biggest
>> mistake I ever made in my life. That tune was later developed into "In
>> The
>> Mood". Glenn Miller got the credit and promised to pay me but he was
>> killed
>> overseas in the war."
>> Mr Myrick also quotes from Variety (4 Dec 1940):
>> UNTANGLE 'IN THE MOOD'.
>> Joe Garland, also Wingy Manone, Collect In Settlement.
>> Mixup over the song "In The Mood" was settled last week when its
>> writer,
>> Joe Garland, was paid approximately $3,500 in back royalties and Wingy
>> Manone, Bandleader, received about $500 to settle his claim of
>> infringement.
>> Garland is sax player and sub-leader of the Louis Armstrong Band. "In
>> The
>> Mood", as recorded by Glenn Miller, is one of the records generally
>> credited
>> with helping to shove that band to the top last year.
>> Argument and subsequent legal troubles came about when Manone filed a
>> claim against Garland and the Lewis Music Co., claiming that "Mood"
>> infringed on his "Tar Paper Stomp". Lewis transferred its rights to
>> the song
>> to Shapiro-Bernstein supposedly because it wasn't in a position to
>> cope with
>> Manone's claim. Transferring the rights, however, somehow confused the
>> respective companies on how much was owed Garland in royalties on the
>> tune.
>> He enlisted legal aid of Goldfarb,Mirenberg & Vallon to represent him.
>>
>> As I always say, the information is out there, if only you know where
>> to
>> look.
>> Regards,
>> Bill.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:02:16 +0200
> From: "Elazar Brandt" <jazzmin at actcom.net.il>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] We got the job!
> To: "Dixie Jazz Mail List" <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Shalom Jazz Fans,
>
> Follow-up to yesterday's report. We got a call from the event organizers
> this morning, and they wanted to hire our whole 5-piece
> band to play all evening at the street fair tonight. We were able to pull
> the group together and accept the offer, so we're on.
>
> Well, I wouldn't exactly call this a meteoric rise... I feel more like a
> dinosaur trying to crawl out of a tar pit. But at least
> we're making progress.
>
> Stay tuned for breaking news...
>
> Elazar
> Doctor Jazz Band
> Tekiya Trumpet Ensemble
> Jerusalem, Israel
> <www.israel.net/ministry-of-jazz>
> Tel: +972-2-679-2537
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:21:50 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: "In the Mood"--lyrics?
> To: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
> Cc: dixieland jazz mail list <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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>> Great stuff, Bill. If someone has asked and I missed it, pardon the
>> query--what are the lyrics to ITM? I remember vaguely, "Mister
>> Whatchacallit, Whatcha Doin' Tonight?" but that might have been a
>> strange dream.
>>
>> Charlie Suhor
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Bill Haesler wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Phil,
>>> Here are some chronological facts regarding the evolution of the ³In
>>> The
>>> Mood² riff, up to the 1939 Glenn Miller version, which may answer your
>>> question.
>>> Or were you just stirring the pot - again? 8>)
>>> 1. ³Tar Paper Stomp [Wingy¹s stomp]² (Joe Manone). Rec. Barbecue Joe
>>> Hot
>>> Dogs. 28 Aug 1930.
>>> 2. ³Hot And Anxious² (Horace Henderson). Rec. Fletcher Henderson
>>> Orch. 19
>>> March 1931. (The familiar OIn the Mood¹ riff is only used once.
>>> 3. ³There¹s Rhythm In Harlem² (Joe Garland). Rec. Mills Blue Rhythm
>>> Band. 9
>>> July 1935.
>>> 4. ³In The Mood² (arr. Joe Garland). Rec. Edgar Hayes Orch. 17 Feb
>>> 1938. (I
>>> do not have this. Who gets composer credit? Does it expand on the
>>> now-familiar riff?)
>>> 5. In June 1938 ³In The Mood² was copyrighted by reedman/arranger Joe
>>> Garland.
>>> 6. ³Jumpy Nerves² (Manone-Dale). Wingy Manone Orch. 26 April 1939.
>>> (Pianist Jimmy Dale was a composer, ASCAP member and an arranger for
>>> music
>>> publishers from 1929. On this version Wingy follows the 1930 ³Tar Paper
>>> Stomp² pattern where the OIn The Mood¹ theme is stated twice. Maybe
>>> Wingy
>>> was making a point by recording it again at this time. But why rename
>>> it? In
>>> his autobiography (1948) Wingy wrote about his compositions and
>>> included the
>>> comment: " 'Tar Paper Stomp' which was later 'In The Mood', and I got
>>> robbed
>>> out of it."
>>> 7. ³In The Mood² was also played and broadcast by Gene Krupa (Nov
>>> 1938) and
>>> Artie Shaw (several times in Dec 1938). In 1974 George Simon wrote
>>> that Joe
>>> Garland had originally given his arrangement to Artie Shaw but that
>>> Artie
>>> could never record it because it was longer that the usual 3 minute 20
>>> seconds maximum for a 78 disc. I have one of the long Shaw broadcast
>>> versions on LP. Glenn Miller rearranged the tune by cutting out the 32
>>> bar
>>> parts in Garland¹s arrangement and concentrating on the 12 bar riff.)
>>> 8. ³In The Mood² (credit unknown) Van Alexander Swingtime Band. Aug
>>> 1939.
>>> 9. In July 1939, (according to Andy Razaf in 1992) at Glenn Miller¹s
>>> invitation Razaf provided Olyrics¹ to ³In The Mood" which were the
>>> basis for
>>> the Ofills¹ characteristic of Miller¹s version.)
>>> 10. ³In The Mood² (Andy Razaf-Joe Garland). Rec. Glenn Miller Orch. 1
>>> Aug
>>> 1939.
>>> It therefore seems that until Ed Garland¹s arrangement, and his
>>> naming/copywriting of ³In The Mood², earlier recordings only stated the
>>> familiar riff briefly.
>>> There you are. As usual much more than you probably wanted.
>>> Wingy certainly set it in motion in 1930. Where he got the riff from
>>> from we
>>> may never know. Probably from when he was a kid in New Orleans.
>>> Very kind regards,
>>> Bill.
>>> PS: If you think that was quicker than usual, it was.
>>> I had already compiled most of the above some time ago, in answer to a
>>> similar query on another list.
>>>
>>> Further to the above "In The Mood" thread, a local mate of mine, Mike
>>> Sutcliffe, drew my attention to a longish article by Tom Myrick in the
>>> Summer 1991 IAJRC Journal (which I had all the time!).
>>> Mr Myrick covers basically what I had summarised above.
>>> However, two additional items from his article may be of interest,
>>> * Andy Razaf's lyrics are on the published sheet music of "In The Mood"
>>> published by Shapiro, Bernstein & Co. [Does any DJMLer have them?]
>>> * On the Al Donahue orch version of "In The Mood" (recorded for
>>> Vocalion on
>>> 8 Nov 1939 - 4 months after the first Miller outing) vocalist Paula
>>> Kelly
>>> sings the Razaf lyrics on record for the first time. Although Ms Kelly
>>> was
>>> to join Glenn Miller's orch in March 1941 neither she, nor anyone
>>> else, got
>>> to sing on a Glenn Miller version of "In The Mood".
>>> Mr Myrick's IAJRC article also mentions that, in a 1972 interview by
>>> George
>>> W Kay at the New Orleans Jazz Museum, Wingy Manone says [in part],
>>> "'Tar
>>> Paper Stomp" was my tune and I didn't copyright it. That was the
>>> biggest
>>> mistake I ever made in my life. That tune was later developed into "In
>>> The
>>> Mood". Glenn Miller got the credit and promised to pay me but he was
>>> killed
>>> overseas in the war."
>>> Mr Myrick also quotes from Variety (4 Dec 1940):
>>> UNTANGLE 'IN THE MOOD'.
>>> Joe Garland, also Wingy Manone, Collect In Settlement.
>>> Mixup over the song "In The Mood" was settled last week when its
>>> writer,
>>> Joe Garland, was paid approximately $3,500 in back royalties and Wingy
>>> Manone, Bandleader, received about $500 to settle his claim of
>>> infringement.
>>> Garland is sax player and sub-leader of the Louis Armstrong Band. "In
>>> The
>>> Mood", as recorded by Glenn Miller, is one of the records generally
>>> credited
>>> with helping to shove that band to the top last year.
>>> Argument and subsequent legal troubles came about when Manone filed a
>>> claim against Garland and the Lewis Music Co., claiming that "Mood"
>>> infringed on his "Tar Paper Stomp". Lewis transferred its rights to
>>> the song
>>> to Shapiro-Bernstein supposedly because it wasn't in a position to
>>> cope with
>>> Manone's claim. Transferring the rights, however, somehow confused the
>>> respective companies on how much was owed Garland in royalties on the
>>> tune.
>>> He enlisted legal aid of Goldfarb,Mirenberg & Vallon to represent him.
>>>
>>> As I always say, the information is out there, if only you know where
>>> to
>>> look.
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>>> http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
>>>
>>
> Dear Charles,
> This is the Andrew Sisters version:
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