[Dixielandjazz] Re: Dazzled or unimpressed?

[Patrick Cooke]

Jude:

     Don't feel you have to apologize for not being dazzled by a particular 
player.  We all have our favorites; and Ken Burns doesn't have to tell us 
who they are, or who they should be.  We all have some who just don't make a 
memorable impression.  I'm sure the list varies with the individual.
      I won't mention any names, but over the years there have been a few 
whose reputations did not follow them onto the bandstand.  The impression 
was "So what's the big deal?"  I had expected to be dazzled, but wasn't.  He 
could have had a bad sound, or an excessive vibrato, or something to turn me 
off.  Perhaps I was just not listening to the part of his playing that 
contained the "magic".  I was already turned off by the negative aspect.
       Similarly, there were some I thought were outstanding, and should 
have had more recognition.  There are a lot of those.
        We are all unique.  Our likes and dislikes are rarely exactly like 
someone else's.  I don't put down everybody who doesn't agree with me, just 
the ones who insist I agree with them.
         Pat Cooke



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>   1. For Jerry Gordon (baglady4 at juno.com)
>   2. Re: For Jerry Gordon (Jerry Gordon)
>   3. RE: RE: barbone e-mail (Jim O'Briant)
>   4. E-mails (Joe Arnett)
>   5. Out from lurking, but why?? (Vaxtrpts at aol.com)
>   6. ISPs (John Farrell)
>   7. Re: ISPs (Chris Calabrese)
>   8. Re: Ambassador Satch (was Out from lurking, but why??)
>      (Bill Haesler)
>   9. Re: Re: Ambassador Satch (was Out from lurking, but why??)
>      (ross anderson)
>  10. RE: Out from lurking, but why?? (Jim O'Briant)
>  11. Ken Colyer (Brian Harvey)
>  12. RE: E-mails (Ron L'Herault)
>  13. Re: Re: Ambassador Satch (was Out from lurking, but why??)
>      (Coastsidegiraffe at aol.com)
>  14. Fwd: [Dixielandjazz] Out from lurking, but why?? (Charlie Hooks)
>  15. Re: HOT 7 CONCERT? Live vs. Recorded.  (Bob Loomis)
>  16. Re: Ken Colyer (Judy Eames)
>  17. Re: Louis' "breaktrhough" and later playing  (Charles Suhor)
>  18. Frog Island Jazz Band (Robert Smith)
>  19. Re: E-mails (Mike C.)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:49:20 GMT
> From: "baglady4 at juno.com" <baglady4 at juno.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] For Jerry Gordon
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <20050612.164922.24401.64473 at webmail27.lax.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
>
> I apologize for using the list for this post to Jerry, however my post to 
> him was returned as not allowed, picked up as spam I suspect.
>
> Hi Jerry:
>
> I've been told that you and your wife usually organize a F2F at Moodus. 
> Are you planning to do so this year?
>
> Thus far, I know Sharon Cioffi, Ed Ohr, Bob Ringwald, Tom Duncan and most 
> likely Don Fredrickson will be attending.
>
> Let me know your thoughts.
>
> Nancie Beaven
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:13:22 -0400
> From: Jerry Gordon <jerrygordon at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] For Jerry Gordon
> To: baglady4 at juno.com
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <20050612.211322.548.2.jerrygordon at juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Don't know why you had a problem, Nancie. I do use 0spam for filtering,
> but it doesn't show any bounced messages.
>
> We've never been the official organizers, but have been occasionally
> involved. To tell you the truth, we haven't even thought about Moodus
> yet. However, I will do what I can to get one organized, and will
> certainly keep the list informed.
>
> Mike Johnson gave me the very sad news that there won't be a washboard
> concert in Moodus this year. Don't know why; I'll talk to him about it in
> Logan next week.
>
> Jerry (the one from Troy)
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:49:20 GMT "baglady4 at juno.com" <baglady4 at juno.com>
> writes:
>>
>> I apologize for using the list for this post to Jerry, however my
>> post to him was returned as not allowed, picked up as spam I
>> suspect.
>>
>> Hi Jerry:
>>
>> I've been told that you and your wife usually organize a F2F at
>> Moodus.  Are you planning to do so this year?
>>
>> Thus far, I know Sharon Cioffi, Ed Ohr, Bob Ringwald, Tom Duncan and
>> most likely Don Fredrickson will be attending.
>>
>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>
>> Nancie Beaven
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:30:57 -0700
> From: "Jim O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] RE: barbone e-mail
> To: "'Tito Martino'" <tmartino at terra.com.br>,
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <20050613043100.0B0C531B2 at sequoia.garlic.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Tito Martino wrote:
>
>> I sent a message to your e-mail address, but it's blocked.
>
> Tito, that may be because your ISP, [ terra.com.br ], is notorious around
> the world for harboring spammers and allowing spammers to send or relay
> messages, unrestricted, through their servers.  My ISP also trapped your
> message as spam, solely because it blocks all email from [ terra.com.br ].
>
> I hope you will file a complaint with [ terra.com.br ] about the spam that
> they permit, and how it prevents your emails from getting through.  Or, if
> there is another alternative in Brazil, you may want to get a different
> email address.
>
> Jim O'Briant
> Tuba
> Gilroy, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:53:24 -0500
> From: "Joe Arnett" <joearnett at grandecom.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] E-mails
> To: <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <003d01c56fdc$36bbe920$0700a8c0 at Office>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Please unsubscribe me.  Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:18:49 EDT
> From: Vaxtrpts at aol.com
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Out from lurking, but why??
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <cd.2a23965c.2fde7f49 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Well, lets see, first of all, I lurk because the only time I get any
> responses on this list is when I say something controversial.  When I say 
> "nice
> things," it is if I never said anything at all......
> So here goes.
> 1. I LOVE soprano sax in a dixieland or "trad" band. And that has nothing 
> to
> do with a Sidney Becket vibrato, which I hate.
> 2. I am also one who likes the band to be amplified, unless it is in a 
> very
> small space.  But I only like it with a good sound person.  We had a 
> TERRIBLE
> one at the Radisson Edgewater Ballroom in Sacramento.  We did a  really 
> fun
> double band set with Nightblooming and the Great American Jazz Band  on 
> Friday
> night and the sound guy almost ruined the whole thing.
> No clue at all!  When we tour with the Stan Kenton Alumni Band (opps,  am 
> I
> allowed to talk about that band here?????)  We bring our own sound  person 
> and
> use the sound systems that are supplied by the venues.  It  states in our
> contract that they are not allowed to touch the system, once it is  set 
> up.
> 3. It is interesting to me that almost all the bands discussed on this 
> list,
> when talking about Sacramento were very trad bands or all-star bands. 
> There
> were plenty of other wonderful bands there, but I guess many of you 
> didn't
> bother to hear them.
> 4. Interesting thread about recorded solos as opposed to live solos.   I 
> have
> heard great solos in both idioms.  I have to agree that one of my 
> favorite
> recordings of all time is "Ambassador Satch!"  Talk about great  energy 
> and
> great solos, while being recorded live...............
> I have lots more to discuss, but maybe I'll let this one suffice for  now.
> Wouldn't want to get everyone too upset with me at one time.
> More later.............
> Mike Vax
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:09:13 +0100
> From: "John Farrell" <stridepiano at tesco.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] ISPs
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID:
> <ellington$62.252.240.37$.PIEGKNHBJHIHFPKOIOJDIEBMCNAA.stridepiano at tesco.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Tito wrote :
> :
> "I sent a message to your e-mail address, but it's blocked."
>
> To which Jim O'Briant replied :
>
> "Tito, that may be because your ISP, [ terra.com.br ], is notorious around
> the world for harboring spammers and allowing spammers to send or relay
> messages, unrestricted, through their servers.  My ISP also trapped your
> message as spam, solely because it blocks all email from [ 
> terra.com.br ]".
>
> A few days ago I received a message from somebody, his ISP is lafn (which
> apparently means Los Angeles something-or-other). My reply to him was
> blocked with an accompanying comment that his ISP did not like mine, so as 
> I
> was anxious to  get my reply to my correspondent I asked several friends
> (with different ISPs) to forward it to him.
>
> Nobody has yet succeeded in doing so, all messages to that ISP bounce. Is
> there any solution to annoying problems like this without resorting to 
> snail
> mail?
>
> Jazz content - Errol Garner's Bounce With Me.
>
> John Farrell
> http://homepages.tesco.net/~stridepiano/midifiles.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:20:59 -0700
> From: "Chris Calabrese" <lists at jazzpiano.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] ISPs
> To: <stridepiano at tesco.net>, "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <00d301c56ff9$362aed90$2602a8c0 at DELL8400>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>> Nobody has yet succeeded in doing so, all messages to that ISP bounce. Is
>> there any solution to annoying problems like this without resorting to
>> snail
>> mail?
>
> Get a free Yahoo Mail account. http://mail.yahoo.com.
>
> ~ Chris
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Farrell" <stridepiano at tesco.net>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:09 AM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] ISPs
>
>
>> Tito wrote :
>> :
>> "I sent a message to your e-mail address, but it's blocked."
>>
>> To which Jim O'Briant replied :
>>
>> "Tito, that may be because your ISP, [ terra.com.br ], is notorious 
>> around
>> the world for harboring spammers and allowing spammers to send or relay
>> messages, unrestricted, through their servers.  My ISP also trapped your
>> message as spam, solely because it blocks all email from [
>> terra.com.br ]".
>>
>> A few days ago I received a message from somebody, his ISP is lafn (which
>> apparently means Los Angeles something-or-other). My reply to him was
>> blocked with an accompanying comment that his ISP did not like mine, so 
>> as
>> I
>> was anxious to  get my reply to my correspondent I asked several friends
>> (with different ISPs) to forward it to him.
>>
>> Nobody has yet succeeded in doing so, all messages to that ISP bounce. Is
>> there any solution to annoying problems like this without resorting to
>> snail
>> mail?
>>
>> Jazz content - Errol Garner's Bounce With Me.
>>
>> John Farrell
>> http://homepages.tesco.net/~stridepiano/midifiles.htm
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:45:16 +1000
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Ambassador Satch (was Out from lurking,
> but why??)
> To: <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>, dixieland jazz mail list
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BED392CC.8F0A%bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Dear Mike,
> No comment from me regarding your "controversial" comments.
> There are plenty on the list more than willing to take your bait.
> 8>)
> But the mention of Louis 'Ambassador Satch" LP/CD caught my attention.
> It was  released in Oz just prior to Louis' first visit here in 1954.
> (Yep! I was there.)
> That LP was magnificent then.
> Still is.
> Steve Barbone said that it was among the best of the live recordings
> available; and I am inclined to agree.
> But, something which has always intrigued us here down-under.
> What is that 'thing' hanging from Louis' suitcase, pictured on the cover 
> of
> the 'Ambassador Satch' LP (some CDs)?
> We asked Louis on his second visit to Australia, but he just 'chuckled'
> Someone, somewhere (photographer/agency), must know.
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:05:41 +1000
> From: "ross anderson" <rossanmjband at iprimus.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Ambassador Satch (was Out from
> lurking, but why??)
> To: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>, <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>,
> "dixieland jazz mail list" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <001d01c56fff$755e8700$0d01a8c0 at pavilion>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Mike and Bill,
> "Ambassador Satch" is my favorite record / CD of them all !!!
> Ross Anderson , N.M.J.B.
> NMJB web site address is http://home.iprimus.com.au/rossjazz/
>
> Anderson bass link is http://home.iprimus.com.au/rossjazz/Double_Bass.htm
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:21:51 -0700
> From: "Jim O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Out from lurking, but why??
> To: <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>, <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <20050613132152.8D64A31B3 at sequoia.garlic.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Mike Vax wrote, in part:
>
>> ... 3. It is interesting to me that almost all the bands discussed
>> on this  list, when talking about Sacramento were very trad bands
>> or all-star bands.  There were plenty of other wonderful bands
>> there, but I guess many of you  didn't bother to hear them.
>
> I'd guess that's because this is a Dixieland Jazz Mailing List, and the
> majority of the subscribers like to listen to Dixieland/ Trad Jazz groups.
> I expect that if we were discussing Sacramento on a Cajun/Zydeco Mailing
> List, there'd be a lot of talk about "Gator Beat" and other bands who play
> in that style.
>
> This was our first visit to Sacramento, and I know that we purposely tried
> to hear some of the guest artists and all-star groups, some of the trad
> bands we'd never heard before, and also some of the trad bands that have
> become personal favorites.
>
>> 4. ... I have to agree that one of my  favorite recordings of
>> all time is "Ambassador Satch!"  Talk about great  energy and
>> great solos, while being recorded live...............
>
> I agree.  That was the first OKOM album that I ever purchased, some time 
> in
> the early 1960's, and I darned near wore it out.  I still have it, packed
> away among about 300 other (mostly classical) LP's.
>
> Jim O'Briant
> Tuba
> Gilroy, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:35:18 +0100
> From: "Brian Harvey" <pembroke.dock02 at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Ken Colyer
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID:
> <MCBBLAFDKBIBDHLDLGALIECGDBAA.pembroke.dock02 at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>
> I was saddened by the lack of appreciation and understanding of Ken 
> Colyer's
> work by fellow list members last week.
> Most seemed to be ignorant of the fact that he could take a pick-up band 
> and
> have such a catalytic effect that in just a few numbers it could sound 
> fine.
> They also seem blissfully unaware of his appreciation and understanding of
> the unique inner rhythms of New Orleans jazz with which he was able to
> infuse his own bands.
> When Judy said of Ken that she could not see what all the fuss was about
> then I suppose she would say the same about Pee Wee Russell or even Brad
> Gowans?
> Percy Humphrey - the much respected veteran New Orleans trumpet man said 
> of
> Ken after playing in the same band with him - "Ken - he knew".
> Ken's work, his greatness was obviously - and sadly - to subtle for many.
> Brian Harvey
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:48:38 -0400
> From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] E-mails
> To: "Joe Arnett" <joearnett at grandecom.net>,
> <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <NHBBLPOLELMEEBAIFOHFEEHEGCAA.lherault at bu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I think this is the third or fourth unsub request I've seen in the past
> week.   Drat.
>
> If anyone wants to unsub, sending mail to the whole list is not the way to
> do it.  Use the URL below and once you are there, you can unsub yourself.
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com]On Behalf Of Joe Arnett
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:53 AM
> To: Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] E-mails
>
>
> Please unsubscribe me.  Thanks.
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:47:32 EDT
> From: Coastsidegiraffe at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Ambassador Satch (was Out from
> lurking, but why??)
> To: bhaesler at bigpond.net.au, Vaxtrpts at aol.com,
> dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <1ed.3dcc91a5.2fdee874 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> But the mention of Louis 'Ambassador Satch" LP/CD caught my attention.
> It was released in Oz just prior to Louis' first visit here in 1954.
> (Yep! I was there.)
> That LP was magnificent then.
> Still is.
>
>
> As a relatively new trad-jazz fan (7 yrs or so), a non-musician, and a
> definite "lurker," I'd just like to thank everyone for the comments and 
> information
> regarding recordings from the past....I read, I heed and you should see my 
> CD
> shopping "Wish List!"   I am learning so much lurking in this environment.
> Karen
> Pacifica, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:55:01 -0500
> From: Charlie Hooks <charliehooks2 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Fwd: [Dixielandjazz] Out from lurking, but why??
> To: DJML Dixieland Jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <BCB9B4C7-DC12-11D9-A59A-00039345A398 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Charlie Hooks <charliehooks2 at earthlink.net>
>> Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005  08:39:36 AM US/Central
>> To: Vaxtrpts at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Out from lurking, but why??
>>
>> On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 01:18 AM, Vaxtrpts at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>  Interesting thread about recorded solos as opposed to live solos.
>>
>> Yes it is.  Let's settle this matter right here: we all knew
>> immediately that recorded solos suck right after Bunny Berigan
>> recorded "I Can't Get Started."
>>
>> This was around the same time that Clarence Hutchinrider recorded
>> his solo on "Smoke Rings."  Artie Shaw recorded "Stardust." And who
>> was that awful tenor player who recorded "Body and Soul" back in the
>> forties?  These people just elbowed up to the bar of music and
>> shoved aside all those other guys who didn't get recorded.  And we
>> know how great those other guys were because...well, because people
>> say so who remember...or think they do.
>>
>> Unfortunately all those marvelous players are now hearsay: their
>> testimony comes now through third party folks because, guess what:
>> they didn't get recorded!  We all know zillions of solos over the
>> years that should have been recorded!  Some of our own that we
>> played, somehow, on some inspired night, and could never repeat:
>> man, if I only had that one on tape...
>>
>> But no one will ever hear it because, guess what: no recording.
>>
>> Charlie Hooks
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________
>> A closed mouth gathers no feet.
> ____________________________________________
> "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that
> counts can be counted." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bob Loomis <miltloomis at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: HOT 7 CONCERT? Live vs. Recorded.
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Message-ID: <20050613140931.47432.qmail at web53404.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Steve Barbone wrote:
>
>   "Louis Armstrong's most creative years
> were long gone by the 1960s. His solos were the
> same live as on record, he was playing the same
> patterns, why shouldn't they sound the same as
> what he recorded previously? He was for the most
> part, in effect, reprising himself."
>
>   Interesting to see this comment first thing
> this morning after watching "Satchmo," the
> Masters of American Music DVD last night. I'm
> certainly not the guy to question the statement
> that Louis's creative years were gone by the
> 1960s. But I wanted to note that Wynton Marsalis,
> one of the folks who comments on Satchmo
> throughout the film, states near the end that
> late "Pops" was as creative as any music Marsalis
> had ever heard, including any and all classical,
> or whatever genre ... He cites the "nuance" of
> Armstrong's playing, using that exact word, and
> says that the caliber of a player's solos in late
> stages is determined not by how many notes he or
> she can play nor how fast, but by how much can be
> expressed in nuance ...
>   Also states that Armstrong's late period solos
> are so complex in this respect and in terms of
> rhythms, that they are extremely difficult if not
> impossible to duplicate. Seeing a couple of clips
> of Louis playing with the All-Stars certainly
> seemed to back that up, IMHO. Each note is played
> in a truly mastful attack, I think. (Also very
> nice to see him and Jack Teagarden playing
> together ...)
>   Just throwing in Wynton's .02 worth for him
> ... <GGG>
>
> Happy Webtrails, Bob Loomis
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:39:23 +0100
> From: "Judy Eames" <jude at judyeames.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Ken Colyer
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <001101c57025$bbd81a90$a300a8c0 at Jude>
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> Brian and all,
>
> I came to jazz through the Chris Barber, Dick Charleworth, Acker Bilk, 
> Kenny
> Ball route.... they played my "pop" music.
>
> Early Ken Colyer was a closed book to me and, as I said before, I first 
> came
> across him playing live in the late  70s/early 80s.   I've never heard Pee
> Wee Russell or Brad Gowans live so I don't know what their charisma rating
> was:-) but I like their recorded stuff.  I suppose if I'd been  a bit more
> impressed by KCs live performances in his later years I might have bought
> records.  As it is, I shall trawl through Tony Davis's collection , find
> some Colyer and listen with open ears.
>
> There does tend to be a snobbery in jazz circles towards people like me 
> who
> came to the music through a revival period  and don't live and breathe it.
> At a time when many of you were glued to the jazz headphones, I was 
> singing
> in the London Philharmonic Choir which was a bit like having a second
> (unpaid) job some weeks so there wasn't a lot of time to delve into 
> history.
> My jazz diet was mostly provided by the Grey Horse in Kingston where my
> favourite band was Frog Island. I saw Ken Colyer play there with pick-up
> bands but never saw him set the stage alight.
>
> I certainly acknowledge that KC was a great force in UK jazz but I don't
> like the quasi religion that now surrounds his name...... I wonder how 
> he'd
> have felt about it?
>
> Jude
>
>
>
>
>
> Judy Eames
> Kaminsky Connection
> Aston, Oxfordshire
> UK
> www.judyeames.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Harvey" <pembroke.dock02 at ntlworld.com>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:35 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Ken Colyer
>
>
>>
>>
>> I was saddened by the lack of appreciation and understanding of Ken
> Colyer's
>> work by fellow list members last week.
>> Most seemed to be ignorant of the fact that he could take a pick-up band
> and
>> have such a catalytic effect that in just a few numbers it could sound
> fine.
>> They also seem blissfully unaware of his appreciation and understanding 
>> of
>> the unique inner rhythms of New Orleans jazz with which he was able to
>> infuse his own bands.
>> When Judy said of Ken that she could not see what all the fuss was about
>> then I suppose she would say the same about Pee Wee Russell or even Brad
>> Gowans?
>> Percy Humphrey - the much respected veteran New Orleans trumpet man said
> of
>> Ken after playing in the same band with him - "Ken - he knew".
>> Ken's work, his greatness was obviously - and sadly - to subtle for many.
>> Brian Harvey
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:22:42 -0500
> From: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Louis' "breaktrhough" and later playing
> To: Bob Loomis <miltloomis at yahoo.com>
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>> Steve Barbone wrote:
>> ...I'm certainly not the guy to question the statement
>> that Louis's creative years were gone by the
>> 1960s. But I wanted to note that Wynton Marsalis,
>> one of the folks who comments on Satchmo
>> throughout the film, states near the end that
>> late "Pops" was as creative as any music Marsalis
>> had ever heard, including any and all classical,
>> or whatever genre ... He cites the "nuance" of
>> Armstrong's playing, using that exact word, and
>> says that the caliber of a player's solos in late
>> stages is determined not by how many notes he or
>> she can play nor how fast, but by how much can be
>> expressed in nuance ...
>
>
> Yes, Steve--and Dizzy Gillespie said, at a time when figs vs. boppers
> wars were still on (paraphrased here from memory), that Louis is the
> greatest and is always worth hearing because every note he plays is
> place exactly right for timing and expressiveness, and that Louis'
> conception is the essence of jazz and the model for all. It's true that
> Louis' quantum breakthrough was fully realized and demonstrated first
> in the Hot 5 and 7 recordings. The other players were great innovators,
> but Louis' time and invention are the what-jazz-is-all-about clinic.
> Can you imagine what it would be like to be a jazz fan or musician in
> the early 1900s, hearing some fresh and exciting stuff all the
> time--then getting blown away by the Hot 5s and 7s? I knew folks in
> N.O. who went through those changes, and never got over it. Louis
> didn't sustain his improvisational genius, but his core conception of
> fire and expressiveness was intact throughout his career, and Dizzy's
> appreciation of that (and ours) is warranted.
>
> Charlie Suhor
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:12:37 +0200
> From: "Robert Smith" <robert.smith at mitransport.no>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Frog Island Jazz Band
> To: "Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Hello Judy
>
> I share your admiration for the Frog Island Jazz Band. I don't know how 
> many of our listmates not living in the UK have heard this "Classic Era" 
> jazz band. Those who haven't heard this band should make every effort to 
> get one of their CD's. An E-mail to the leader Rob Fullalove at:
> Rob at rfullalove.freeserve.co.uk
> should produce the address of "Oliver Frogge Recordings".
> The CD I have "And It Don't Seem A Day Too Much" (CD OF/260103)has my 
> favourite Johnny Dodds tune "Have Mercy" among other classics like 
> "Georgia Swing", "Forty And Tight", "Jungle Blues".
> They were the only British Band to appear at the New Orleans Jazz and 
> Heritage Festival in 1980, and when they returned in 1982, the Mayor of 
> New Orleans conferred the title of "International Honorary Citizens" upon 
> the band. The band was also in the festival in 1986 and 1988.In fact the 
> drummer - Chris Marchant - was so enamoured of New Orleans that he has 
> been there about every second year since.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bob Smith
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:30:08 -0600
> From: "Mike C." <mike at michaelcryer.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] E-mails
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> I just don't understand why it's so hard to unsubscribe the way you
> subscribed. Oh well, live and learn I guess.
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