[Dixielandjazz] Stolen tunes

Hal Vickery hvickery at svs.com
Sat Dec 3 09:34:48 PST 2005

Ory's Creole Trombone was appropriated from a ragtime tune I used to play,
and now I can't think of the title.  You might find a thread on it from
several years ago in the archives of rec.music.ragtime.  (Or is it
alt.music.ragtime) if you have Usenet access.  Somebody reminded me of the
title there and I've since forgotten it again.

Hal Vickery

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Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Stolen tunes

Mike wrote:

> I wasn't aware Ory stole tunes. Can you 
> explain this a little further?

There was recently a discussion here about an alleged tune plagiarism
involving Kid Ory -- though in this case he was said to be the victim rather
than the plagiarist.  The original tune was Muskrat Ramble; the song based
on it was one whose name I forget, but it was a 1960's anti-war song by, I
think, Country Joe and the Fish.  ("For it's one, two, three, what are we
fightin' for.....)

The copyright infringement lawsuit was decided in favor of Joe McDonald.  I
think that the plagiarism was obvious and that this was a miscarriage of

Jim O'Briant
Gilroy, CA

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