[Dixielandjazz] Re: So bad it must be shared.......
bethv at portafortuna.com
Thu Dec 2 21:33:19 PST 2004
Jeez Larry, wouldn't it have been easier just to say the joke was referring
to a Bb minor chord and not three different minor keys?
My head is spinning!
----- Original Message -----
From: "LARRY'S Signs and Large Format Printing" <sign.guy at charter.net>
To: "Robert Smith" <robert.smith at mitransport.no>; "Dixieland Jazz"
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Re: So bad it must be shared.......
> Bob -
> The spelling of a minor chord is 3 half steps(minor third) on the bottom
> with 4 half steps(major third) on top. A major chord is the opposite with
> half steps between the root and third and 3 half steps between the third
> the fifth. An example is the Bb minor chord. Count them Bb (root), B, C,
> Dflat (3) (third) Dflat, D, D#, E, F(fifth) (4) Hence a Bb minor chord.
> The joke refers to chord spacing and the notes that are associated with
> chord symbol. While it is true that chords are usually spelled in
> accordance with the scale that they are associated with jazz musicians
> rarely use some chord spellings. Although for example C flat may be the
> correct spelling in some keys most guitar players would do a double take
> you wrote it for them. The same is true of many of the flat Chords.
> usage is that chords like Gb, Cb, E#, B# are almost never used even
> they are technically correct at times.
> To simplify things Jazz writers will almost always choose a Bb chord
> than an A# even though the A# may be technically correct in some keys.
> Don't confuse the chord symbol with the scale.
> While it is true that the classical spelling of the chords based on the
> scale tones of the scale is technically correct that's not what happens in
> common usage. In classical music they used Roman Numerals as figured bass
> to denote the chord. Roman numerals are always technically correct but
> difficult to read so jazz musicians came up with chord symbols. A III mi
> chord in the key of C is an Emi in chord symbols while a III mi in A is a
> chord so the musician had to translate each time. Roman numerals and
> figured bass are correct are best for chordal analysis of music. Chord
> symbols on the other hand are almost useless for analysis of a piece of
> music because they are used in a wishy washy way. (On the other hand
> the way most of us Jazz musicians are.) If you think this is all
> try Sofeggi.
> A good example is the way computers sometimes put in accidentals. I have
> seen an E# (the note) followed by an F ( or a Gb followed by an F# etc) in
> the same measure. This might be technically correct but it makes sight
> reading tough and fills the tunes with needless mistakes. Follow the KISS
> principle when writing. ( Keep It Simple Stupid.)
> I would have picked a different chord for the joke.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Smith" <robert.smith at mitransport.no>
> To: "Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:03 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: So bad it must be shared.......
> Ed Danielsen relayed this joke:
>>A B-flat, a D-flat, and an F walk into a bar. The
>>bartender says to them, "I'm sorry we don't serve minors here"...
>>So the D-flat leaves and the B-flat and the F have
>>a fifth between them and go home.
> There is a minor mistake in the joke that in fact is a major mistake.
> D-flat is in fact a major key with five flats. The key of D-flat minor
> would, in fact have eight flats, which, though not impossible, is
> cumbersome, and traps the unwary with F-flat and C-flat.
> The minor key related to D-flat major is C-sharp minor having five sharps.
> There is no recognised key of C-sharp major because there would be both F
> and F-sharp plus C and C-sharp in the same scale.
> So the joke ought to be ....
> Bob Smith
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