[Dixielandjazz] Re:was/Cornet Education for Bill Biffle/ DenyingHistory of Jazz

[Mike Durham]

Tom's right, the promoters saw Elvis as a way of getting 'forbidden' balck 
music to the affluent white teenage market. In other words, they saw him as 
a 'white negro'. His early stuff was VERY black - check out his version on 
Sun of 'It's All Right Mama', it's a pretty good imitation of black bluesman 
Arthur Crudup (who wrote it). I prefer the Crudup, but it was Elvis' version 
that made all the money. And most white kids would not have been aware of 
his existence. So rip-offs disd of course occur, but I'm not so sure about 
OKOM. Swing, yes - BG etc reaped all the rewards while Basie, Henderson, 
Webb were marginalised. But where were the white bands ripping off Oliver, 
Ellington or Morton in the 20's? Thoughts, anyone?

Mike D.


>From: "Jim Beebe" <jbeebe at centurytel.net>
>To: <TCASHWIGG at aol.com>, <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz]  Re:was/Cornet Education for Bill Biffle/ 
>DenyingHistory of Jazz
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:07:39 -0600
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <TCASHWIGG at aol.com>
> >
> > > > "Trad Revival" of the 1950s and 1960s. I think a lot of that stuff
>created a
> > >
> > > backlash from the boppers and others that is detrimental to OKOM to 
>this
> > > very day.
> > >
> >>
> > Black musicians have always been forced to stay on the cutting edge of
>Jazz
> > and constantly reinventing their music just to make a living playing
>music,
> > because anything they made popular soon went over to the other 88% of 
>the
> > American population and got a much larger audience with greater 
>purchasing
>power,
> > which bought white artists playing similar music.  It is simply a case 
>of
>numbers
> > and traceable historical facts if you look in the right places for the
> > information rather than make it up as you go to justify what has 
>happened
>time and
> > time again.   I just read about Elvis Presley being discovered as a 
>White
>Negro
> > which  made a lot of former race record songs quickly acceptable to the
> > mainstream white audiences and radio stations that would never play them
>when they
> > were
> > Black.
>
>    Jesus...where are you getting this stuff, Tom?  Are you on Ken Burns 
>and
>Stanley Crouch's mailing list?
>Elvis Presley a White Negro?
>
>
>
> > The Book,  The Death of Rhythm & Blues,  by Nelson George  a Plume Book
> > Another enlightening book for you :  "The Apollo"  History of the 
>Fabeled
> > Black Theater.
> >
> > Next I suppose someone will write that Eminem created Rap music, with 
>his
> > buddy Vanilla Ice.  Or maybe it was DC Talk.  The winners write the
>History
> > books, always have and always will.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tom Wiggins
>
>
>
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