[Dixielandjazz] Vic Dickenson
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Fri May 9 14:31:22 PDT 2003
I first heard Cutty Cutshall when he was half of the trombone section in the
1940's Benny Goodman organization. The other half, who also played later
with Eddie Condon, was Lou McGarity.
Cutty's heard to advantage in the Benny Goodman Sextet's recording of "Blues
In The Night" recorded on December 24, 1941.
There are other recordings made on this date which feature Lou McGarity. Lou
was generally used as the soloist. Listen to him on "The Way You Look
Tonight" by the Sextet. The Cutshall-McGarity team, though, was outstanding
sounding more like one horn than two.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Burt Wilson" <futurecon at earthlink.net>
To: <JimDBB at aol.com>; <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Vic Dickenson
> Speaking of shrines--I could build one for Cutty Cutshall. His ideas were
very unusual in my book and he had superb intonation. I love to listen to
him with the Condon gang. Did he record with anyone else? I have no idea.
> Burt Wilson
> Silver Dollar Jazz Band
> -------Original Message-------
> From: JimDBB at aol.com
> Sent: 05/09/03 09:45 AM
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Vic Dickenson
> > In a message dated 5/8/2003 11:12:14 PM Central Standard Time,
> charliehooks at earthlink.net writes:
> > Well--excuse me! I had no intention of desecrating a shrine! I had
> > listened to all those recordings, had never played with Vic before (nor
> > since), so that I--ignorant one--was forced to listen to what I actually
> > heard on the day I played with him. On that day, whatever way, for
> > whatever
> > cause I've no idea and no curiosity--on that day, standing on my right
> > side where I could not mistake nor can I disremember what I heard: the
> > sounded like a garden hose with a semi-attached mouthpiece.
> > I am willing to take all you guys' word for it: Vic Dickenson is/was
> > greatest trombone player who ever lived (I'll even forget Jack); but ON
> > THAT
> > PARTICULAR FUkkIN DAY he sounded like a guy with a garden hose and a
> > mouthpiece. You guys weren't there. I was.
> > so shut my mouf'
> > Charlie
> Well, at least you own up to it. You have desecrated a 'shrine.'
> I can understand that one might not care for Vic Dickenson's sound or
> but his musicality cannot be denied. For whatever it's worth, Charlie,
> Wally Cheske, a fine trumpet player in Milwaukee years back, made an
> observation similar to yours. Wally said that Vic sounded like he was
> playing a rubber hose.
> BTW, in the list of great artists that Vic has recorded with I forgot to
> mention Bobby Hackett. Bobby had a five piece group with Vic and three
> rhythm that was outstanding. Another fine group was the Saints and
> that had Vic, Norm Murphy, a wonderful Chicago trumpet player, pianist Red
> Richards, Barrett Deems and others. Murphy and Vic together were superb.
> Charlie, be careful now of whose shrine you tip over.
> Jim Beebe
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