[Dixielandjazz] Multiple bands under one name - was Riverboat Natchez' Schedule

[Ron L'Herault]

Another aspect is the distinctive style of a band, its "Sound"  Big bands
such as the Miller band get it mainly from the charts.  Jazz bands, if they
have an identifiable sound (I think they should if they are a good band) get
it from the individuals in the band.  The Black Eagles is a good example.
Tony Pringle's playing is wonderfully distinctive and I feel that if he is
not appearing with the band, then it is no longer the Black Eagles.  It may
be a good, even very good jazz band but it just is not the Black Eagles
without Tony.  Don't get me wrong, when any of them are replaced with a sub,
it is noticeable but it does not change the character of the band as much as
Tony's absence.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com]On Behalf Of Mike Marois
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:24 AM
To: Bobolink7736 at aol.com; rebecca.e.thompson at verizon.net;
dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Cc: deanoassunto at TheDukesofDixieland.com
Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Riverboat Natchez' Shedule


Without going into the details, the actions of say one is in one location
whilst performing at another locale can be construed as:

fraud (frod) n. 1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure
unfair or unlawful gain. 2. A piece of trickery; a trick. 3.a. One that
defrauds; a cheat. b. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.

Now you all know that the Original Dukes of Dixieland were Frank, Freddie,
Papa Jac and Betty Owens-Assunto.  This was a family organization that
always performed together, hence making multiple performances in several
venues at the same time never happened.  In boblynn's response the Glenn
Miller Orchestra under the direction of Jerry Grey(without Glenn Miller) was
mentioned.  First off, comparing  the current group masquerading as the
Dukes to the Glenn Miller Orchestra is like comparing apples and oranges.
The two genres, Dixieland and big band swing, are two totally different
styles from the performers' side.  The Original Dukes were a well rehearsed
group that had learned their parts and executed them to perfection, with the
exception of Slide, Frog, Slide at the Carnegie Hall Concert.  The Glenn
Miller Orchestra under the direction of Jerry Grey(without Glenn Miller)
more than like is Jerry Grey roaming the country with the Glenn Miller
charts, maybe he's toting along the section leads and a drummer.  When he
gets to the town that he's performing at he probably calls the local
musicians' union and fills out the band.  The afternoon before the gig the
group gets together for a rehearsal to run through the charts once or twice
that will be performed that evening.  Here's an additional aspect that you
probably haven't realized.  At the Glenn Miller Orchestra under the
direction of Jerry Grey(without Glenn Miller) gig there are probably tapes
and CD's available.  These could be reissues of original Glenn Miller
recordings or remakes with a new version of the orchestra.  More times than
not the Glenn Miller Orchestra lettering is larger than Jerry Grey's name in
the case of the remakes.  I would bet for every tape or CD that is sold the
estate of Glenn Miller or his family is getting a percentage.

The real question is, which name is pulling the people into the event, Glenn
Miller - the charts that are being performed, or Jerry Grey - the guy who's
leading the group who's performing the charts.  Proper advertising should be
the Jerry Grey Orchestra performing the charts of Glenn Miller.  If the name
is not important, why use it???  Maybe to sell seats???

Now back to the matter at hand.  If I were shelling out good bucks to see
the Dukes of Dixieland perform on the boat, and I was sold tickets under the
premise that the Dukes of Dixieland would be performing, and then there was
another group performing, I would have been sold a false bill of goods.  In
other words I would have been defrauded.  Now remember in the eyes of the
courts in the United States there is no prescription on fraud.

With this brief example I hope that I enlightened you all to some of the
issues of getting duped.

Mike Marois
http://www.TheDukesofDixieland.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobolink7736 at aol.com [mailto:Bobolink7736 at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:19 PM
To: mikemarois at hirelivemusicians.com; rebecca.e.thompson at verizon.net;
dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Cc: deanoassunto at TheDukesofDixieland.com
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Riverboat Natchez' Shedule


While I think I understand your concerns about "the Dukes of Dixieland," I
have noticed that several groups appear simultaneously in different locales.
Other than
the special interest in preserving the integrity of the name and the
interests of the estates is there some other reason that you object to
groups
appearing in two different venues simultaneously under the same name?  And
if the
group appearing
on the Natchez Riverboat plays first rate Dixieland why should a listener
care what
the band is called?  The Glenn Miller Orchestra under the direction of Jerry
Gray (without Glenn Miller) still sounded the same, didn't it?  And weren't
they live musicians whereas Glenn Miller was not?  The asset assignment
arrangement doesn't really matter all that much to someone just wanting to
hear
first-rate music
whatever the genre.

best wishes,
boblynn
bobolink7736 at aol.com



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