[Dixielandjazz] Re: was First Night/ Now New Years Eve Fees.

Mike Marois MikeMarois at HireLiveMusicians.com
Sun Dec 14 09:10:08 PST 2003

Tom et al;

I don't know who came up with the idea that a musician's wage on New Year's
Eve should be double or triple what it is any other night of the year but I
know one company who doesn't believe in it, that would be the Disney
Corporation.  I remember a few years back working for them full time and New
Year's Eve always seemed to fall on one of my regulary scheduled nights.
Their view on New Year's Eve was that it was just another night, so you
received your regular pay.  If you should happen to call in sick, take
another high paying gig around town, and get spotted, you were terminated on
the spot.  And they didn't allow musicians to take vacation on New Year's
Eve also.  After all, who'd want to sub for you at regular pay on New Year's

Mike "I'll be playing for nearly triple pay, five minutes from my house on
New Year's Eve this year" Marois

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Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: was First Night/ Now New Years Eve Fees.

In a message dated 12/12/03 7:35:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barbonestreet at earthlink.net writes:

> Usually we've booked First Nights when we don't get a more lucrative
> booking. Since 2000, our New Year's Eve Bookings have been very strong
> and so we have had to turn First Night Bookings down.
> Currently, First Night bookings for 2 hours ending at or before midnight
> are in the $300 per man range on average. We turned one such first night
> offer down this year that paid $400 per man, because we were already
> booked at higher rates. (I do not book New Years Eve simultaneously, but
> do refer them to other bands)
Now this brings me to ask a question that has never been answered with a
reasonable explanation since I have been in the music industry.

Who came up with the Cockamamie Idea that musicians playing the same songs
New Year's Eve should make double triple or better money than they did
performing exactly he same songs and often to the same people the night

Now I ask you does a Dentist get more money for filling a tooth on Saturday
than he does on Monday-Friday?

Does a Brain Surgeon get more money for Brain Surgery on Wednesday than he
does on Monday?  Because it interferes with his golf?

I have known many musicians who say that they are holding out to the last
minute on committing for a New Year's Eve to try and score a one shot for
bucks.  I have also seen bands working steady gigs in good paying nightclubs
fired for pulling out on New Year's Eve and sending in a sub band so they
could go off and score big bucks.

In my professional opinion that has always been a direct slap int he face of
the club owner who hires the band all year long, and to try and extort big
bucks out of the guy for one night is not good business practice, if your
band is
in that kind of booking circumstance.

Many establishments do charge higher prices and admission fees on New Year's
Eve, but they were forced to do so to try and make enough money to pay the
greedy musicians, the bartenders and waitresses and cooks and dishwashers do
get paid extra money for that day doing the same job they do all year long.

This is particularly disastrous for many establishments when New Year's Eve
falls in the middle of the week anyway and not even on a weekend.

I have heard the argument that many more people go out on New Year's Eve to
Party so business is just going to be better anyway.

That is not necessarily true, many folks, particularly the older ones do not
go out at all on New Years Eve, some because it is considered amateur
night, others simply because the times have changed and they don't go out
much anyway so New Years Eve and fighting the anticipated crowds that often
not materialize anyway keep them at home or at best within walking distance
avoid drinking and driving and the greater chances of getting caught by the

I remember New Year's Eve 2000 which was supposed to be the New Years Party
Night to end all Party Nights, The New Millennium and all that.  It was
actually the biggest BUST in history for Live Music and Parties.  Every body
their brother tried to cash in on it and make all these plans and promote
these big parties with very high prices.  It was common belief that they
would all
make lots and lots of money that night.

Well, folks, I saw and read about hundreds of canceled parties and gigs all
over the country because the folks just decided to stay at home and not go
and get ripped off paying exorbitant prices to hear nobody musicians in a
hotel room or bar that they normally could go see for free any other night
of the

Musicians who attest to the fact that we should get high bonus pay for
working on a Holiday fail to remember that Holidays are good for our
because the average working guy gets those days off to come out and hear and
see us
and spend some of his hard earned money, let off a bit of steam and keep the
coffers filling to pay us to work the rest of the week.

How many of us ever offer to give the promoter or club owner back his money
on the nights nobody comes out to hear or see us and he has to pay us

Now of course I am speaking of just musicians in general, certainly not
established professional groups and players who have worked long and hard
marketing themselves and building a reputation sufficient enough to be able
consistently attract a crowd willing to pay to see and hear them.

There are many Great musicians out there who don't promote and market
themselves but rather sit around at home waiting for the phone to ring with
a good
paying gig on the other end of the line.  That's kind of like playing the
lottery without buying a ticket, yeah every once in a while you might get
one, but
you can also get a small winning ticket for the lottery in the garbage can
the liquor store too, that the serious player overlooked.

While it is considered Shameless for real Professional Doctors and Lawyers
advertise for business, they are beginning to learn that if they don't,
shameless young ones who do, are taking away all the new clients that they
used to get by word of mouth.

The new ones starting out had to advertise because they had no former or
current clients to refer other clients to them.  Times have changed, but in
OKOM world there used to be only one doctor in town and only one lawyer,
these rules of ethics were established.

Same theory might have worked in the days when there was a shortage of
Musicians too, or at least good ones who could draw a crowd of paying

As for my show, It cost the same everyday, like all  quality goods and
services, and if one of my sidemen informs me that he just has to have three
his normal pay for playing with us on New Years Eve or any other holiday I
tell him to go ahead and find another band to pay him that kind of money for
that night, and at the same time see if they will hire him permanently since
he is not welcome to come back to us.

If you were in any other working situation, you could not call your employer
and demand such a thing or ask permission to take the day off to go play for
someone else for more money, at least and not expect to be fired.

Every year on New Year's Eve I see schlep throw together bands get bookings
for $300 to $500.00 per man to play the same crap they play in mediocrity
other night of the week, for $40.00 to $80.00 and in many cases, play with
just any musician good bad or indifferent that is available to cover the
count on the gig.   I also see leaders splitting their group into three or
groups and booking them all for big bucks and paying the sidemen the same as
usual, often using the sidemen who were holding out for a high paid New
gig, that never came, so they will take anything that is left at the last

Did I forget to mention the bandleader booker who books so many gigs from
suckers who do not know any better that he sends out six players for one
(three drummers and two piano players and a violin), or (Two bass players, a
bongo player and an organist with no organ).  How about a bongo player, a
drummer and a bass player for a trio gig?  Mind you folks these are supposed
to be
"DANCE ORCHESTRAS."  Happens every year and causes many parties to fail and
promoters of the gigs to never try it again.

Food for thought.  Happy Holidays and A Happy and Prosperous 2004 to you

I plan to take New Year's Eve Off again this year, but if anybody has a fat
$20,000.00 to $50,000.00 gig unbooked, I still might be able to get my
to come play that night.
 We would also like free Booze, and Dinner for thirteen plus three guests
each for Dinner and free booze all night.  And it would also be a nice
gesture if
you would provide limo's to pick us all up and take us to the gig, and bring
us home afterwards, with a fully stocked bar in the limo as well.

I ain't cheap but I can be had!

Want a real nightmare story? ask me about the Great New Years Eve gig of


Tom Wiggins

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