[Dixielandjazz] Ciro's Club Orch - 1st Jazz recording?

Fred Spencer drjz at bealenet.com
Sat Aug 23 18:31:14 PDT 2003

The leader of the band at Ciro's was Dan Kildare, who succeeded James 
Reese Europe as the president of New York's Clef Club Orchestra before 
moving to England in 1915. His abbreviated story is told in my book 
"Jazz and Death, Medical Profiles of Jazz Greats" in the chapter on 
"Homicide", along with that of Europe himself. My information was mainly 
derived from a scholarly, illustrated article, with an annotated 4 page 
discography, in Laurie Wright's "Storyville 1996-7" by Howard Rye and 
Tim Brooks, entitled "Dan Kildare". Dan led the Ciro's band on piano but 
is omitted in Brian Rust's "Jazz Records" (4 ed.), being replaced as 
pianist by his brother Walter, who played vc (presumably violin cello) 
in the "Storyville" account. Dan Kildare's murder/suicide episode was 
tried by a coroner, whose review produced this comment in my chapter 
"Notes"- "It is salutary to realise that in England, even in 1920, the 
coroner suggested that the the law on carrying firearms required 
tightening." Regards.
Jazzjerry at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 20/8/03 7:16:28, rakmccallum at hotmail.com writes:
><< Why does
>everyone consider the ODJB recordings released on 2/26/1917 the first jazz
>recording when Ciro's Club Coon Orchestra (an African American band
>performing in London) recorded jazz in 1916? >>
>I tend to agree that their recording sound very much like jazz. The entire 
>recorded output of this group which was a quartet are available on two Document 
>CDs. The recordings were made in London for 'The Gramophone Company' which did 
>not seem to operate the same colour bar as was the practice of the American 
>companies. The leader of the band - I cannot remember his name - lead a rather 
>colourful life (No pun intended please!) in London but became a drug addict 
>and ended up murdering his wife who was the landlady of the local pub after he 
>caught her dallying (Now there is an old fasshioned word for 'it') with another 
>man. I understand he then topped himself.
>Real comment on ther 'jazz' aspects of the band's performances can really 
>only be judged after listening to a number of the recordings although being 1916 
>there is plenty of bacon frying in the background!
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