[Dixielandjazz] Hentoff piece
Butch Thompson
butcht at sihope.com
Sun Aug 3 13:57:11 PDT 2003
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> 1. Re: realistic future for Dixieland jazz
> 2. Hentoff (Richard Crockett)
> 3. Re: OKOM in Chicago?
> 4. The Death of OKOM? (Brian Towers)
> 5. FW: [Dixielandjazz] School Assembly Programs (Charlie Hooks)
> 6. Re: vacation
> 7. This is a public service announcement. (Richard Broadie)
> 8. Re: This is a public service announcement. (Phil O'Rourke)
> 9. The Song for Me
> 10. Re: This is a public service announcement. (bert barr)
> 11. Re: This is a public service announcement. (bert barr)
> 12. Great River Festival in LaCrosse, WI (Michael Woitowicz)
> 13. RE: Great River Festival in LaCrosse, WI (Kurt)
> 14. RE: This is a public service announcement. (Kurt)
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> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:31:30 EDT
> From: Jazzjerry at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Hi all,
>
> Further to the above subject heading which now seems to have died I would
> like to draw your attention to the August issue of The Mississippi Rag which
> carries reports on 2 British events. The Keswick event notes feature photos of
> Jack (Kid) Carter and Adrian Cox both of whom are young players who are making
> their way as professional musicians on the British and European 'OKOM'
> circuit.
> The feature by Clarrie Henley on the Blackpool Jazz Party held last May
> reports of the performance of Richard Shepherd a 17 year-old saxophonist who
> made
> his debut (sponsored by yours truly!) at this event and is shown in a photo
> with
> Ken Peplowski and Scott Robinson. Richard's style my not be quite OKOM as
> some would like to define it but whilst there are musicians such as Jack,
> Adrian
> and Richard learning and playing swinging jazz there is always hope that
> Dixieland / Traditional / OKOM (Or what you will) will thrive.
>
> By the way I am looking for a young musician to sponsor for the 2004
> Blackpool Jazz Party. He or she must be of an exceptional level of
> achievement, be
> able to sight read, have a fairly wide standard rrepertoire and not be phased
> at
> having to play alongside the best in the world in front of a critical (But
> understanding!) live audience. They should reside in the UK as I can't run to
> airfares. Instrument played does not really matter although this particular
> jazz
> event has little call for washboards, kazoos, or even banjos.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jerry,
> Norwich,
> U.K.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:09:03 -0500
> From: "Richard Crockett" <rcrockett1 at houston.rr.com>
> To: <bowermastergroup at qwest.net>, "dix" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Hentoff
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> Yeah, Kurt! Hentoff rocks!
>
> Every issue of Jazz Times he's the first thing I read!
>
> The Shamrock Grill, here in Houston, has the Market Square Jazz Band every
> Wednesday. Led by the Weiler twins, Jim plays trumpet, Joe, tenor sax, they
> play a program of Golden OKOM which will always include: "Big Butter and Egg
> Man", "Avalon", "Hindustan", "Wolverine Blues"... you get the picture. Last
> Feb. the Weilers celebrated their 92nd year. And they play great!
>
> They're definitely worth the trip. Come on Down!! They even let me sit in
> occasionally.
>
> Dick Crockett
> f-hole, arch-top, owner
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:03:19 EDT
> From: Bobolink7736 at aol.com
> To: snogpitch at prodigy.net, dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] OKOM in Chicago?
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> I thought Jim Kash did a fine job lining this out for Tito and that he did a
> far better job than I could do so I have felt no need to try and add more. I
> go to Andy's. And that's about it. Lots of different kinds of jazz there and
> all of it good enough to meet
> my needs. Thursday afternoon at 5:30 - 8:30 except for breaks that are too
> long for
> such short gigs, you can heard some fine near-Dixieland with Russ Philips and
> company. Kim Cusack and Franz Jackson alternate on Friday noons. I always
> enjoy
> these performances. Come on over.
>
> Best wishes,
> boblynn
> Bobolink7736 at aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:37:53 -0400
> From: "Brian Towers" <briantowers at msn.com>
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] The Death of OKOM?
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> Dan Spink has put his finger right on it. I personally do not want to see
> OKOM as top of the pops, played continuously on the radio etc. It would be
> the kiss of death for it.
>
> I was playing traditional jazz in the late 50's, early 60's in the UK.
> Suddenly it became the pop music of the day - jazz tunes top of the hit
> parade; hundreds of unworthy bands turning pro' ; gimmicks galore; funny
> uniforms, a frantic effort to please all the people all of the time; groups
> jumping on the band wagon, blatent efforts to copy the most successful bands
> such as Barber/Bilk and Ball etc. End result - garbage!
> It was called the "trad' Boom" Yuk! Within six months or so the novelty
> was over and the media/promoters were on to the next gimmick. Traditional
> jazz virtually vanished from the public eye and went underground again.
>
> Our jazz can never appeal to the "head bangers" - just as classical music
> can never appeal to the majority of folk. OKOM has its smallish niche, as
> Dan says. It will survive as such, in my humble opinion. 10% of each
> succeeding generation will dig it and play it, way into the future.
> I have nothing against beads etc and the primacy of the entertainment ethic
> but let's not prostitute ourselves unduly, to capture the attention of the
> masses. Leave the mass markets to the Rolling Stones etc.
>
> Regards,
> Brian Towers
> Canada
>
> Snip......
>> ...What exactly do you want it to be, or expect it to be if you had your
>> fondest wish? Do you want it played continuously on the radio? Do you want
>> the CDs to sell like rap? Do you want the big stars to be Dixieland
>> instrumentalists? What? In all reality, no music stays around at the top of
>> the charts for long, and who said that was the ultimate achievement
> anyway?......
>> Sorry, Dan (piano fingers) Spink
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:08:48 -0500
> From: Charlie Hooks <charliehooks at earthlink.net>
> To: DJML Dixieland Jazz <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: FW: [Dixielandjazz] School Assembly Programs
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> ----------
> From: LORNETTA HOOKS <lornettah at earthlink.net>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:49:35 -0500
> To: Charlie Hooks <charliehooks at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Dixielandjazz] School Assembly Programs
>
> I would suggest:
>
> 1. Contact the music teachers and classroom teachers in the schools
> that you hope to perform in. Find out what types of accademic themes
> and info. they are trying to highlight for their students that
> season/year and pick your tune selection for your assembly/show to
> reflect that info. i.e. I pick a theme for each grade level based on
> their classroom curriculm. This year we are going to choose music that
> reflects the 100th anniversery of W. Wright's 1st Flight. Last year
> the theme was "Africa Quest" which was an integrated social studies and
> computer internet project. Jazz history was a natural spin-off and I
> also tied it in easily with Black history month because the concert was
> scheduled for February. Other themes have been: rainbows,
> Butterflies, Stars and the galaxy, Australia, Reading and books,
> Character and good choices, etc.
>
> 2.The more you can "tie" into their normal classroom curriculm, the
> more interest & cooperation you will create. Kids really do learn
> better with an integrated approach and music makes it SO MUCH MORE FUN!
>
>
> 3. using monthly themes. ie. January is Jazz History Month , February
> is Black histor month, etc.
>
> 4. I've put together 1st - 4th grade workshops with Professional
> musicians and used these as a stepping stome/teacing tool to help the
> students prepare their own concert for their parents. Great
> Motivator!!!!
> I've done the same with Jr. High and High....but it much easier and
> more common.
>
> 5. Make sure you plan in "student participation" segments every 15
> minutes in your program. Kids attention span are short....for that
> matter, so are adults! If they get to do something, they'll buy into
> what you are doing and really help carry the show with their enthusiasm
> which means they are learning more and YOU are having more fun.
>
> Thanks for doing what you're doing! It's great that good musicians
> take an active interest in our students. I truly appreciate all the
> help I've received from the "pros" over the year...I owe a lot of
> people lots of thanks!
>
> Lornetta Hooks
> Music educator and advocate
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 03:44 PM, Charlie Hooks wrote:
>
>> Any advice you want to give him?
>> Charlie
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Stephen Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] School Assembly Programs
>>
>> Dear List mates;
>>
>> I am in the final stages of successfully completing a contract signing
>> with several local school districts to bring a jazz music appreciation
>> assembly program to kids at the grammar school level in the
>> Philadelphia
>> Metro Area.
>>
>> I've done a few assembly programs for High School Kids, but this is
>> mostly to be for kids from Kindergarten through 5th grade. ( 5 to 10
>> years old). SA few will be for kids in 6th through 10th grade (11 to 15
>> years old)
>>
>> Is there any advice out there for me? An assembly will be 45 minutes
>> long and the Schools want some music and some verbal content.
>>
>> Like, will the Barney Song work if we play it straight, explain quickly
>> how it can be jazzed up and then jazz it up? What other songs do these
>> kids know that we can convert to jazz?
>>
>> I think I want to concentrate on the music, the fact that it is a
>> uniquely American Art Form, discuss Louis Armstrong and talk about
>> musical freedom.
>>
>> What else might you suggest we cover, given that their attention spans
>> will be short and too much detail will quickly bore them?
>>
>> GOAL? To get the kids interested in Jazz, America's Music, when they
>> are
>> young, and I welcome your suggestions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>>
>> PS. There is money out there to fund these kinds of programs. Suggest
>> others check it out if you want a "feel good" project. Will be 15
>> programs in the fall and 15 more in the spring.
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:10:14 EDT
> From: Trumpetom at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Cc: kash at ran.es
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] vacation
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> In a message dated 8/2/2003 10:32:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kash at ran.es
> writes:
>
>> And, that's
>> where I'll be...by the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea, you &me,
>> you &me (that means my wife &myself!!), oh, how happy we'll
>> be.........
>>
>> See ya soon, Jim
>>
>
> Your wife & you. What, no trombone?
>
> Tom Loeb
> California
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:27:37 -0700
> From: "Richard Broadie" <richard.broadie at gte.net>
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] This is a public service announcement.
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> A very fine jazz pianist just emailed this to me. Thought you might enjoy
> the contents. I look forward to your comments.
>
> Dick Broadie
>
> *************************************************
>
> This is a public service announcement.
>
> It has come to my attention that at any given gig, people will request that
> the band play certain songs. There is a depressing inevitability to the
> songs that get requested. Following is a list of many of those songs, and
> probable reasons why your request didn¹t get honored.
>
> "In The Mood":
>
> This is the bane of every big band, as well as most small Jazz combos and
> wedding bands of every stripe. It's a song that most musicians learn to play
> at a very early stage of their career, and by the time they've become
> professionals they're already sick of the song. They don't care what event
> in your life you associate it with, their souls just shrivel when they hear
> the name.
>
> Inside musician joke (if you don't understand it, next time you request this
> song, also ask to have the joke explained to you): There's good news and bad
> news. The good news is that Glenn Miller's plane went down. The bad news is
> that they saved the book.
>
> "Mack The Knife":
>
> If Ute Lemperer or Marlene Dietrich is singing it to the Original Kurt Weill
> orchestrations it's a cool song. If a wedding band is playing it and trying
> to make it swing it's just horrible. Have you ever listened to the lyrics?
>
> "Jump, Jive and Wail":
>
> In a very short time this song has almost eclipsed "In The Mood" in
> odiousness (odiosity?). We don't care if it makes you feel hip, a request
> for this song just sucks the spirit out of a band. Hey, big news, the
> "neo-swing" craze ended a few years ago, pretty much the moment this song
> appeared in a commercial. Louis Jordan was cool, no argument there. A
> wedding band playing this song is not, and furthermore they're probably not
> happy either.
>
> "Girl From Ipanema":
>
> This is a lovely song, and frankly we really don't mind Playing it as much
> as some of this other dreck, but there are a ton of other Antonio Carlos
> Jobim songs that are more fun to play. And what usually happens when we do
> play it, some young, white yuppie idiot goes into his or her 'Latin'
> routine -- you know what I'm talking about. They get this silly look on
> their face and they do their idea of a samba. To be honest, even if we're
> not Latino it's insulting, racist and ignorant.
>
> "Proud Mary":
>
> Again, not a bad song. We¹re just sick to death of playing it.
>
> "Freebird":
>
> What is it with this song? Unless you live below the Mason-Dixon line and/or
> the band is honest-to-God Southerners, there is no earthly reason to want to
> hear this song.
>
> "Linus and Lucy":
>
> Again, a charming song, but it's really not jazz, as so many of You seem to
> think it is. Most pianists have learned how to play this purely out of
> self-defense; it's just easier (and faster) to play the damn thing than to
> weasel out of it. Vince Guaraldi, the song's author, is well-regarded
> amongst jazz musicians, and one of his other Peanuts songs: "Christmastime
> Is Here" is one of our favorites.
>
> "My Way":
>
> Unless it's the Sid Vicious version, or unless you and/or the Band is either
> Italian or from New Jersey, it's just not a great song.
>
> "The Chicken Dance" or "The Hokey Pokey":
>
> Unless you're 10 years old or live in Wisconsin (cheeseheads get a special
> dispensation), don't you think the whole idea is kind of ridiculous?
>
> "The Macarena":
>
> Hey, it's already 2003. The stinking carcass of the song should have been
> cremated years ago.
>
> Anything by Kenny G:
>
> To ALL self-respecting jazz musicians, Kenny G is the Anti-Christ.
>
> 99.9% of saxophonists in America would sooner climb into a cage filled with
> rabid weasels (or booking agents) than play "Songbird".
>
> Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber:
>
> I have it on good authority that this is a true story. Webber Was introduced
> to Frank Loesser, a certified giant among American theatrical composers, at
> a party in Manhattan. He asked Loesser why people seemed to have an
> immediate dislike for his (Webber's) work, and Loesser said, "It saves
> time."
>
> If you put 20 orangutangs in a hotel room with word processors it'd take
> them less than a day to write an A.L.W. lyric.
>
> Anything by Celine Dion:
>
> Well, maybe some of the female vocalists out there wouldn't Mind the
> opportunity to sho-off their chops, but they don't count. Us players hate
> the stuff. A 'C.D.' song is a locomotive whose emotional throttle is jammed
> wide open.
>
> Feel free to contribute your own, or to argue.
>
> Addendum:
>
> No explanation needed for the following: (see "Proud Mary," Which I think IS
> a bad song) "When the Saints Go Marching In" "Happy Birthday" "New York, New
> York" "Tie A Yellow Ribbon" "Leroy Brown" "Color My World" "You Light Up My
> Life" "Feelings"
>
> Carole with an "e"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:02:48 +1000
> From: "Phil O'Rourke" <philor at webone.com.au>
> To: "Richard Broadie" <richard.broadie at gte.net>
> Cc: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] This is a public service announcement.
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>
>> A very fine jazz pianist just emailed this to me. Thought you might enjoy
>> the contents. I look forward to your comments.
>
>
> I don't see how any of these songs have a thing to do with jazz (or at least
> MKOM) even if Louis sang one of them.
>
> Phil O'Rourke
> Australia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:59:24 EDT
> From: TBW504 at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] The Song for Me
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> Anyone on the DJML who happens to be at the U.K. Bude Jazz Festival from
> August 22nd and who wants a copy of, or would like to examine, my book "The
> Song
> for Me" (a glossary of New Orleans muasians and others of that ilk) can see me
> there - I'm staying at the Hartland Hotel. I will also be holding a few copies
> of the CD-ROM version. It's the smart way to avoid postal charges!
> Brian Wood
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bert barr <uljb at yahoo.com>
> To: Richard Broadie <richard.broadie at gte.net>,
> DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] This is a public service announcement.
> Message-ID: <20030803150905.72738.qmail at web10604.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Without being disrespectful - what do any of these
> tunes have to do with dixieland? Maybe Mack The Knife
> would qualify but most of these songs (I'm not saying
> they are good or bad musically) do not or should not
> be included on this list if we are still talking
> dixieland. Am I wrong?
>
> Bert (mouldy figge) Barr - Uptown Lowdown Jazz Band
> --- Richard Broadie <richard.broadie at gte.net> wrote:
>> A very fine jazz pianist just emailed this to me.
>> Thought you might enjoy
>> the contents. I look forward to your comments.
>>
>> Dick Broadie
>>
>> *************************************************
>>
>> This is a public service announcement.
>>
>> It has come to my attention that at any given gig,
>> people will request that
>> the band play certain songs. There is a depressing
>> inevitability to the
>> songs that get requested. Following is a list of
>> many of those songs, and
>> probable reasons why your request didn¹t get
>> honored.
>>
>> "In The Mood":
>>
>> This is the bane of every big band, as well as most
>> small Jazz combos and
>> wedding bands of every stripe. It's a song that most
>> musicians learn to play
>> at a very early stage of their career, and by the
>> time they've become
>> professionals they're already sick of the song. They
>> don't care what event
>> in your life you associate it with, their souls just
>> shrivel when they hear
>> the name.
>>
>> Inside musician joke (if you don't understand it,
>> next time you request this
>> song, also ask to have the joke explained to you):
>> There's good news and bad
>> news. The good news is that Glenn Miller's plane
>> went down. The bad news is
>> that they saved the book.
>>
>> "Mack The Knife":
>>
>> If Ute Lemperer or Marlene Dietrich is singing it to
>> the Original Kurt Weill
>> orchestrations it's a cool song. If a wedding band
>> is playing it and trying
>> to make it swing it's just horrible. Have you ever
>> listened to the lyrics?
>>
>> "Jump, Jive and Wail":
>>
>> In a very short time this song has almost eclipsed
>> "In The Mood" in
>> odiousness (odiosity?). We don't care if it makes
>> you feel hip, a request
>> for this song just sucks the spirit out of a band.
>> Hey, big news, the
>> "neo-swing" craze ended a few years ago, pretty much
>> the moment this song
>> appeared in a commercial. Louis Jordan was cool, no
>> argument there. A
>> wedding band playing this song is not, and
>> furthermore they're probably not
>> happy either.
>>
>> "Girl From Ipanema":
>>
>> This is a lovely song, and frankly we really don't
>> mind Playing it as much
>> as some of this other dreck, but there are a ton of
>> other Antonio Carlos
>> Jobim songs that are more fun to play. And what
>> usually happens when we do
>> play it, some young, white yuppie idiot goes into
>> his or her 'Latin'
>> routine -- you know what I'm talking about. They get
>> this silly look on
>> their face and they do their idea of a samba. To be
>> honest, even if we're
>> not Latino it's insulting, racist and ignorant.
>>
>> "Proud Mary":
>>
>> Again, not a bad song. We¹re just sick to death of
>> playing it.
>>
>> "Freebird":
>>
>> What is it with this song? Unless you live below the
>> Mason-Dixon line and/or
>> the band is honest-to-God Southerners, there is no
>> earthly reason to want to
>> hear this song.
>>
>> "Linus and Lucy":
>>
>> Again, a charming song, but it's really not jazz, as
>> so many of You seem to
>> think it is. Most pianists have learned how to play
>> this purely out of
>> self-defense; it's just easier (and faster) to play
>> the damn thing than to
>> weasel out of it. Vince Guaraldi, the song's author,
>> is well-regarded
>> amongst jazz musicians, and one of his other Peanuts
>> songs: "Christmastime
>> Is Here" is one of our favorites.
>>
>> "My Way":
>>
>> Unless it's the Sid Vicious version, or unless you
>> and/or the Band is either
>> Italian or from New Jersey, it's just not a great
>> song.
>>
>> "The Chicken Dance" or "The Hokey Pokey":
>>
>> Unless you're 10 years old or live in Wisconsin
>> (cheeseheads get a special
>> dispensation), don't you think the whole idea is
>> kind of ridiculous?
>>
>> "The Macarena":
>>
>> Hey, it's already 2003. The stinking carcass of the
>> song should have been
>> cremated years ago.
>>
>> Anything by Kenny G:
>>
>> To ALL self-respecting jazz musicians, Kenny G is
>> the Anti-Christ.
>>
>> 99.9% of saxophonists in America would sooner climb
>> into a cage filled with
>> rabid weasels (or booking agents) than play
>> "Songbird".
>>
>> Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber:
>>
>> I have it on good authority that this is a true
>> story. Webber Was introduced
>> to Frank Loesser, a certified giant among American
>> theatrical composers, at
>> a party in Manhattan. He asked Loesser why people
>> seemed to have an
>> immediate dislike for his (Webber's) work, and
>> Loesser said, "It saves
>> time."
>>
>> If you put 20 orangutangs in a hotel room with word
>> processors it'd take
>> them less than a day to write an A.L.W. lyric.
>>
>> Anything by Celine Dion:
>>
>> Well, maybe some of the female vocalists out there
>> wouldn't Mind the
>> opportunity to sho-off their chops, but they don't
>> count. Us players hate
>> the stuff. A 'C.D.' song is a locomotive whose
>> emotional throttle is jammed
>> wide open.
>>
>> Feel free to contribute your own, or to argue.
>>
>> Addendum:
>>
>> No explanation needed for the following: (see "Proud
>> Mary," Which I think IS
>> a bad song) "When the Saints Go Marching In" "Happy
>> Birthday" "New York, New
>> York" "Tie A Yellow Ribbon" "Leroy Brown" "Color My
>> World" "You Light Up My
>> Life" "Feelings"
>>
>> Carole with an "e"
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:10:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bert barr <uljb at yahoo.com>
> To: bert barr <uljb at yahoo.com>, Richard Broadie <richard.broadie at gte.net>,
> DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] This is a public service announcement.
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> --- bert barr <uljb at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Without being disrespectful - what do any of these
>> tunes have to do with dixieland? Maybe Mack The
>> Knife
>> would qualify but most of these songs (I'm not
>> saying
>> they are good or bad musically) do not or should not
>> be included on this list if we are still talking
>> dixieland. Am I wrong?
>>
>> Bert (mouldy figge) Barr - Uptown Lowdown Jazz Band
>> --- Richard Broadie <richard.broadie at gte.net> wrote:
>>> A very fine jazz pianist just emailed this to me.
>>> Thought you might enjoy
>>> the contents. I look forward to your comments.
>>>
>>> Dick Broadie
>>>
>>> *************************************************
>>>
>>> This is a public service announcement.
>>>
>>> It has come to my attention that at any given gig,
>>> people will request that
>>> the band play certain songs. There is a depressing
>>> inevitability to the
>>> songs that get requested. Following is a list of
>>> many of those songs, and
>>> probable reasons why your request didn¹t get
>>> honored.
>>>
>>> "In The Mood":
>>>
>>> This is the bane of every big band, as well as
>> most
>>> small Jazz combos and
>>> wedding bands of every stripe. It's a song that
>> most
>>> musicians learn to play
>>> at a very early stage of their career, and by the
>>> time they've become
>>> professionals they're already sick of the song.
>> They
>>> don't care what event
>>> in your life you associate it with, their souls
>> just
>>> shrivel when they hear
>>> the name.
>>>
>>> Inside musician joke (if you don't understand it,
>>> next time you request this
>>> song, also ask to have the joke explained to you):
>>> There's good news and bad
>>> news. The good news is that Glenn Miller's plane
>>> went down. The bad news is
>>> that they saved the book.
>>>
>>> "Mack The Knife":
>>>
>>> If Ute Lemperer or Marlene Dietrich is singing it
>> to
>>> the Original Kurt Weill
>>> orchestrations it's a cool song. If a wedding band
>>> is playing it and trying
>>> to make it swing it's just horrible. Have you ever
>>> listened to the lyrics?
>>>
>>> "Jump, Jive and Wail":
>>>
>>> In a very short time this song has almost eclipsed
>>> "In The Mood" in
>>> odiousness (odiosity?). We don't care if it makes
>>> you feel hip, a request
>>> for this song just sucks the spirit out of a band.
>>> Hey, big news, the
>>> "neo-swing" craze ended a few years ago, pretty
>> much
>>> the moment this song
>>> appeared in a commercial. Louis Jordan was cool,
>> no
>>> argument there. A
>>> wedding band playing this song is not, and
>>> furthermore they're probably not
>>> happy either.
>>>
>>> "Girl From Ipanema":
>>>
>>> This is a lovely song, and frankly we really don't
>>> mind Playing it as much
>>> as some of this other dreck, but there are a ton
>> of
>>> other Antonio Carlos
>>> Jobim songs that are more fun to play. And what
>>> usually happens when we do
>>> play it, some young, white yuppie idiot goes into
>>> his or her 'Latin'
>>> routine -- you know what I'm talking about. They
>> get
>>> this silly look on
>>> their face and they do their idea of a samba. To
>> be
>>> honest, even if we're
>>> not Latino it's insulting, racist and ignorant.
>>>
>>> "Proud Mary":
>>>
>>> Again, not a bad song. We¹re just sick to death of
>>> playing it.
>>>
>>> "Freebird":
>>>
>>> What is it with this song? Unless you live below
>> the
>>> Mason-Dixon line and/or
>>> the band is honest-to-God Southerners, there is no
>>> earthly reason to want to
>>> hear this song.
>>>
>>> "Linus and Lucy":
>>>
>>> Again, a charming song, but it's really not jazz,
>> as
>>> so many of You seem to
>>> think it is. Most pianists have learned how to
>> play
>>> this purely out of
>>> self-defense; it's just easier (and faster) to
>> play
>>> the damn thing than to
>>> weasel out of it. Vince Guaraldi, the song's
>> author,
>>> is well-regarded
>>> amongst jazz musicians, and one of his other
>> Peanuts
>>> songs: "Christmastime
>>> Is Here" is one of our favorites.
>>>
>>> "My Way":
>>>
>>> Unless it's the Sid Vicious version, or unless you
>>> and/or the Band is either
>>> Italian or from New Jersey, it's just not a great
>>> song.
>>>
>>> "The Chicken Dance" or "The Hokey Pokey":
>>>
>>> Unless you're 10 years old or live in Wisconsin
>>> (cheeseheads get a special
>>> dispensation), don't you think the whole idea is
>>> kind of ridiculous?
>>>
>>> "The Macarena":
>>>
>>> Hey, it's already 2003. The stinking carcass of
>> the
>>> song should have been
>>> cremated years ago.
>>>
>>> Anything by Kenny G:
>>>
>>> To ALL self-respecting jazz musicians, Kenny G is
>>> the Anti-Christ.
>>>
>>> 99.9% of saxophonists in America would sooner
>> climb
>>> into a cage filled with
>>> rabid weasels (or booking agents) than play
>>> "Songbird".
>>>
>>> Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber:
>>>
>>> I have it on good authority that this is a true
>>> story. Webber Was introduced
>>> to Frank Loesser, a certified giant among American
>>> theatrical composers, at
>>> a party in Manhattan. He asked Loesser why people
>>> seemed to have an
>>> immediate dislike for his (Webber's) work, and
>>> Loesser said, "It saves
>>> time."
>>>
>>> If you put 20 orangutangs in a hotel room with
>> word
>>> processors it'd take
>>> them less than a day to write an A.L.W. lyric.
>>>
>>> Anything by Celine Dion:
>>>
>>> Well, maybe some of the female vocalists out there
>>> wouldn't Mind the
>>> opportunity to sho-off their chops, but they don't
>>> count. Us players hate
>>> the stuff. A 'C.D.' song is a locomotive whose
>>> emotional throttle is jammed
>>> wide open.
>>>
>>> Feel free to contribute your own, or to argue.
>>>
>>> Addendum:
>>>
>>> No explanation needed for the following: (see
>> "Proud
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:54:25 -0500
> From: "Michael Woitowicz" <banjobarons at nconnect.net>
> To: "Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Great River Festival in LaCrosse, WI
> Message-ID: <001101c359d7$83f7c640$45ac5442 at y8s9l1>
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> Are there any other listmates going to the Great River Festival in LaCrosse,
> WI next weekend?
>
> I would be happy to organize a FTF if anyone's interested.
>
>
> Mike Woitowicz
> The Banjo Barons Ragtime Band
> www.banjobarons.com
> The Dixie Barons Dixieland Band
> www.banjobarons.com/dixiebarons
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:08:58 -0500
> From: "Kurt" <bowermastergroup at qwest.net>
> To: "Michael Woitowicz" <banjobarons at nconnect.net>,
> "Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Great River Festival in LaCrosse, WI
> Message-ID: <KNEKJPBHLJEBLPOPDDILKEPPCFAA.bowermastergroup at qwest.net>
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> Mike,
>
> I can't attend, but would be curious to know if the festival has any
> performances on the Julia Belle Swain riverboat which is located in
> LaCrosse. It is a beautiful sternwheeler.
>
> Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Woitowicz
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Dixieland Jazz
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Great River Festival in LaCrosse, WI
>
>
> Are there any other listmates going to the Great River Festival in LaCrosse,
> WI next weekend?
>
> I would be happy to organize a FTF if anyone's interested.
>
>
> Mike Woitowicz
> The Banjo Barons Ragtime Band
> www.banjobarons.com
> The Dixie Barons Dixieland Band
> www.banjobarons.com/dixiebarons
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:18:05 -0500
> From: "Kurt" <bowermastergroup at qwest.net>
> To: "bert barr" <uljb at yahoo.com>, "Richard Broadie" <richard.broadie at gte.net>,
> "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] This is a public service announcement.
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>
> These songs may not have anything to do with OKOM, but anyone who has ever
> led a band will enjoy reading the post. I forwarded it on to several
> (non-OKOM) band leaders I know.
>
> Last night my Party Gras Dixieland Band played a local Des Moines club that
> was packed and everyone was having a great time. We were playing mostly
> dixieland standards with a few big band tunes and other crowd pleasers.
>
> During a break, a guy came up to me and requested a Led Zeppelin tune. I
> think he was halfway joking (I hope). When we went back up for the next
> set, we opened with "Struttin' with Some BBQ" and I back announced it by
> saying "That was 'Struttin' with Some BBQ', off Led Zeppelin's Greatest Hits
> album". It got a big laugh and the guy joined my mailing list.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com]On Behalf Of bert barr
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Richard Broadie; DJML
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] This is a public service announcement.
>
>
> Without being disrespectful - what do any of these
> tunes have to do with dixieland? Maybe Mack The Knife
> would qualify but most of these songs (I'm not saying
> they are good or bad musically) do not or should not
> be included on this list if we are still talking
> dixieland. Am I wrong?
>
> Bert (mouldy figge) Barr - Uptown Lowdown Jazz Band
> --- Richard Broadie <richard.broadie at gte.net> wrote:
>> A very fine jazz pianist just emailed this to me.
>> Thought you might enjoy
>> the contents. I look forward to your comments.
>>
>> Dick Broadie
>>
>> *************************************************
>>
>> This is a public service announcement.
>>
>> It has come to my attention that at any given gig,
>> people will request that
>> the band play certain songs. There is a depressing
>> inevitability to the
>> songs that get requested. Following is a list of
>> many of those songs, and
>> probable reasons why your request didn9t get
>> honored.
>>
>> "In The Mood":
>>
>> This is the bane of every big band, as well as most
>> small Jazz combos and
>> wedding bands of every stripe. It's a song that most
>> musicians learn to play
>> at a very early stage of their career, and by the
>> time they've become
>> professionals they're already sick of the song. They
>> don't care what event
>> in your life you associate it with, their souls just
>> shrivel when they hear
>> the name.
>>
>> Inside musician joke (if you don't understand it,
>> next time you request this
>> song, also ask to have the joke explained to you):
>> There's good news and bad
>> news. The good news is that Glenn Miller's plane
>> went down. The bad news is
>> that they saved the book.
>>
>> "Mack The Knife":
>>
>> If Ute Lemperer or Marlene Dietrich is singing it to
>> the Original Kurt Weill
>> orchestrations it's a cool song. If a wedding band
>> is playing it and trying
>> to make it swing it's just horrible. Have you ever
>> listened to the lyrics?
>>
>> "Jump, Jive and Wail":
>>
>> In a very short time this song has almost eclipsed
>> "In The Mood" in
>> odiousness (odiosity?). We don't care if it makes
>> you feel hip, a request
>> for this song just sucks the spirit out of a band.
>> Hey, big news, the
>> "neo-swing" craze ended a few years ago, pretty much
>> the moment this song
>> appeared in a commercial. Louis Jordan was cool, no
>> argument there. A
>> wedding band playing this song is not, and
>> furthermore they're probably not
>> happy either.
>>
>> "Girl From Ipanema":
>>
>> This is a lovely song, and frankly we really don't
>> mind Playing it as much
>> as some of this other dreck, but there are a ton of
>> other Antonio Carlos
>> Jobim songs that are more fun to play. And what
>> usually happens when we do
>> play it, some young, white yuppie idiot goes into
>> his or her 'Latin'
>> routine -- you know what I'm talking about. They get
>> this silly look on
>> their face and they do their idea of a samba. To be
>> honest, even if we're
>> not Latino it's insulting, racist and ignorant.
>>
>> "Proud Mary":
>>
>> Again, not a bad song. We9re just sick to death of
>> playing it.
>>
>> "Freebird":
>>
>> What is it with this song? Unless you live below the
>> Mason-Dixon line and/or
>> the band is honest-to-God Southerners, there is no
>> earthly reason to want to
>> hear this song.
>>
>> "Linus and Lucy":
>>
>> Again, a charming song, but it's really not jazz, as
>> so many of You seem to
>> think it is. Most pianists have learned how to play
>> this purely out of
>> self-defense; it's just easier (and faster) to play
>> the damn thing than to
>> weasel out of it. Vince Guaraldi, the song's author,
>> is well-regarded
>> amongst jazz musicians, and one of his other Peanuts
>> songs: "Christmastime
>> Is Here" is one of our favorites.
>>
>> "My Way":
>>
>> Unless it's the Sid Vicious version, or unless you
>> and/or the Band is either
>> Italian or from New Jersey, it's just not a great
>> song.
>>
>> "The Chicken Dance" or "The Hokey Pokey":
>>
>> Unless you're 10 years old or live in Wisconsin
>> (cheeseheads get a special
>> dispensation), don't you think the whole idea is
>> kind of ridiculous?
>>
>> "The Macarena":
>>
>> Hey, it's already 2003. The stinking carcass of the
>> song should have been
>> cremated years ago.
>>
>> Anything by Kenny G:
>>
>> To ALL self-respecting jazz musicians, Kenny G is
>> the Anti-Christ.
>>
>> 99.9% of saxophonists in America would sooner climb
>> into a cage filled with
>> rabid weasels (or booking agents) than play
>> "Songbird".
>>
>> Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber:
>>
>> I have it on good authority that this is a true
>> story. Webber Was introduced
>> to Frank Loesser, a certified giant among American
>> theatrical composers, at
>> a party in Manhattan. He asked Loesser why people
>> seemed to have an
>> immediate dislike for his (Webber's) work, and
>> Loesser said, "It saves
>> time."
>>
>> If you put 20 orangutangs in a hotel room with word
>> processors it'd take
>> them less than a day to write an A.L.W. lyric.
>>
>> Anything by Celine Dion:
>>
>> Well, maybe some of the female vocalists out there
>> wouldn't Mind the
>> opportunity to sho-off their chops, but they don't
>> count. Us players hate
>> the stuff. A 'C.D.' song is a locomotive whose
>> emotional throttle is jammed
>> wide open.
>>
>> Feel free to contribute your own, or to argue.
>>
>> Addendum:
>>
>> No explanation needed for the following: (see "Proud
>> Mary," Which I think IS
>> a bad song) "When the Saints Go Marching In" "Happy
>> Birthday" "New York, New
>> York" "Tie A Yellow Ribbon" "Leroy Brown" "Color My
>> World" "You Light Up My
>> Life" "Feelings"
>>
>> Carole with an "e"
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>>
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