[Dixielandjazz] Re:Bored with unwritten rules? and new website
Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:24:26 -0400
Without taking a look at the web site, I said to myself (being my favorite
listener) it could only be a Conn Victor Cornet. Then I went ahead to look
at the "star" of the website, proving once more the correctness of my
With Max it has to be a Victor, and with such good reason. I own and play
one, my second in 59 years of playing...the first picked out of a war time
music store's used bin for me by family friend and my early mentor Red
My dad asked him for the favor, since he was a reed man and wanted to be
sure I had at least a decent horn if I insisted on playing cornet. (I
started on one of dad's old clarinets but it soon became obvious that I had
an amazing lack of talent for that instrument.) So he turned to Red to help
him out and I ended up with my first cornet, a 1928 Victor.
My current Victor is a 1939 model. A King Master 20 Silver Sonic cornet
sits in a case unplayed, as does a Getzen Severinsen trumpet. The trumpet
for the unlikely call for a big band job (getting hard enough to book our
six-pieceMichigan Nighthawks) and the King, fine horn that it is, is
relegated to backup duty.
Many players of note have gone back to the Victor (sadly not made for
decades) including Jim Cullum. For good reason. Victor is a VERY large bore
and open horn. It will take whatever you can give it and deliver it with
gusto. You had best keep playing a few long tones between gigs, since its
.484 bore is not for sissies.
But long live the remaining Victors. From Bix to Cullum, they have made
some great music. And still will. Little wonder that Max swore by this horn.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Eames" <email@example.com>
To: "DJML" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:54 AM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re:Bored with unwritten rules? and new website
> In the good old days, Chris Tyle would declare a subject "boring" and that
> would be the end of the matter. Perhaps he could come back for a day:-)
> Talking of Chris Tyle creates a neat link to invite you to look at our
> embryonic website www.kaminskyconnection.co.uk The "star" of our new CD
> a cornet sold to Chris by Max Kaminsky's widow and bought from him on
> by Tony Davis.
> Maybe this'll start a new thread .......instruments once owned and played
> the famous? Or has it been done several times already?
> Judy Eames
> Jazz Revellers
> Aston, Oxfordshire
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Gunter" <email@example.com>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>;
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Unwritten Rules/Mr. Gunter's Obstinacy
> > Yo! Bob Williams,
> > Call me a "Scoundrel" (Don't you go flag-waving around me, ye scoundrel)
> > will you! Hey! I got your "scroundrel" right here!
> > >Don't you go flag-waving around me, ye scoundrel.
> > My discussion of rights under the constitution is "flag-waving"? Give me
> > break!
> > >The point is, I believe it [handing out a business card] *is* illegal -
> > >violation of agency law.
> > >
> > >From http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/agency.html:
> > >
> > >agency: an overview
> > >Agency law is concerned with any "principal"-"agent" relationship; a
> > >relationship in which one person has legal authority to act for
> > >Such relationships arise from explicit appointment, or by implication.
> > >relationships generally associated with agency law include
> > >executor or administrator-decedent, and employer-employee.
> > >
> > >The law of agency is based on the Latin maxim "Qui facit per alium,
> > >per se," which means "he who acts through another is deemed in law to
> > >himself." Agency, in its legal sense, nearly always relates to
> > >or
> > >contractual dealings.
> > Rubbish! This in no way prohibits a person from handing out a business
> > When I asked how my handing out my card could be considered illegal yhou
> > responded:
> > >You're interfering with your "employer's" freedom to make a living, if
> > >want to take it down to that level.
> > Au Contraire - he's already got the gig. Remember . . . you're a sideman
> > the gig and he's "making his living." Since this is a casual and not a
> > permanent gig he has no right to claim you're interfering with his right
> > make a living. It is much more arguable that his denying you the right
> > hand out your card is interfering with your right to earn make a living.
> > When I asked you to cite a law among the many you claimed existed you
> > replied:
> > >I have neither the facility, nor the time.
> > Hah! You can make a charge that something it true and when challenged to
> > prove it you can't or won't. Bah! Coward! (I'm kidding, Bob, I really
> > you, man).
> > I had to laugh at this one:
> > >- I'm supposed to be contributing to your social security, pops! ;-)
> > I thought I had already done that during all those years I was gainfully
> > employed.
> > >Perhaps someone can help me with this. Aren't you a
> > >lawyer, Mr. Barbone?
> > I'd love to see a lawyer go on record claiming it's illegal for me to
> > out my business card. Hah! On the other hand, it's also my
> > that lawyers are liable to say just about anything.
> > And for you to even suggest that I'm another "Ernie Carson" (dignified
> > otherwise) is fightin' words, dude - Washboards at 10 paces! At dawn!
> > Respectfully submitted,
> > Bill "No Ernie Carson" Gunter
> > jazzboard@hotmail
> > ps. I think you also said:
> > I believe you to be rousing rabble, sir.
> > That's what King George said about the American revolutionaries back in
> > late 1700s!
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