[Dixielandjazz] Unwritten rules??/
JimDBB@aol.com
JimDBB@aol.com
Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:46:54 EDT
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In a message dated 9/11/02 12:22:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
cellblk7@attbi.com writes:
> OK! A hypothetical situation...your band is booked at a local country club.
> It pays $100 per man, and is a very nice gig!! Everything is going great,
> the band is cookin'!
> During the last break, you find the manager and let him know you've enjoyed
> the gig, and you hope he'll call you again, so you hand him your card, and
> he informs you that one of your sidemen, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ just
> gave him HIS card, and suggested he call HIM the next time if he wanted a
> band since he, too, has a band.
> What would YOU do?? Is this an ethical thing for a sideman to do? Would you
> hire that sideman again for another gig?
> This is purely hypothetical...it follows a discussion I had with a fellow
> musician...as far as I know, it has NEVER happened to me! Just wanting to
> find out the thinking of all of you old-timers out there, who have been
> through all sorts of situations!
> Is this an open market, where anyone can promote his band? I'm trying to
> find out what leaders like Ringwald, Hooks, Barbone, Wiggins, and others
> whose names I can't think of would do in a situation like this...
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions...
> Bob Romans
Bob...there is nothing hypothetical about this. It is very unethical and
It is a very real problem within professional music. What most of us would do
would be to kill the individual. This has gone on for years though much less
so today as the music business fades away. The musicians union had very
strict rules against hustling on someone's gig. You could take someone to the
union for this and very real punishment or admonishment would be handed down.
If someone does this who is fairly unexperienced, you could give that
person a strong warning. Usually this kind of hustling is done by a habitual
offender and in this case you want to avoid hiring or associating with him or
her.
Jim Beebe
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/11/02 12:22:28 AM Central Daylight Time, cellblk7@attbi.com writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B>OK! A hypothetical situation...your band is booked at a local country club. It pays $100 per man, and is a very nice gig!! Everything is going great, the band is cookin'!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>During the last break, you find the manager and let him know you've enjoyed the gig, and you hope he'll call you again, so you hand him your card, and he informs you that one of your sidemen, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ just gave him HIS card, and suggested he call HIM the next time if he wanted a band since he, too, has a band.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>What would YOU do?? Is this an ethical thing for a sideman to do? Would you hire that sideman again for another gig? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>This is purely hypothetical...it follows a discussion I had with a fellow musician...as far as I know, it has NEVER happened to me! Just wanting to find out the thinking of all of you old-timers out there, who have been through all sorts of situations! </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>Is this an open market, where anyone can promote his band? I'm trying to find out what leaders like Ringwald, Hooks, Barbone, Wiggins, and others whose names I can't think of would do in a situation like this...</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions...</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Bob Romans</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Bob...there is nothing hypothetical about this. It is very unethical and It is a very real problem within professional music. What most of us would do would be to kill the individual. This has gone on for years though much less so today as the music business fades away. The musicians union had very strict rules against hustling on someone's gig. You could take someone to the union for this and very real punishment or admonishment would be handed down.<BR>
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If someone does this who is fairly unexperienced, you could give that person a strong warning. Usually this kind of hustling is done by a habitual offender and in this case you want to avoid hiring or associating with him or her.<BR>
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Jim Beebe<BR>
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