[Dixielandjazz] Re: Dixielandjazz digest, Vol 1 #289 - 11 msgs

Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:42:48 EDT

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In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:02:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dixielandjazz-request@ml.islandnet.com writes:

> In a message dated 10/24/02 02:01:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> nancyink@ulink.net writes:
> 
> 
> > Could you gentlemen
> > please tell me where we're supposed to draw the line? What songs are
> > touchable vs. untouchable? 
> 
> Its a matter of class..........some has it and some doesn't.  If you want 
> to 
> know what class is............ask your grandmother.  Grandmothers always 
> know.
> 
> Perhaps one problem is that we "use" our national anthem too much.  On 
> friday 
> nights in this country, it is sung hundreds of thousands of times at 
> football 
> games.  It is sung at virtually every sporting event.  Maybe we hear it so 
> much that some think it is O.K. to make a jazz piece out of it.
> It is more patriotically inspiring to hear a russian choir sing their 
> national anthem than to hear what many have done with ours.
> Now before I am chastised for going too far afield in my non-DJML 
> musings.............I will stop.   Incidentally, Bob, I enjoyed Molly on 
> the 
> tube the other night.
> 
> Don Hale
> 
> 

Dan Spink Offers then his opinion:
Perhaps we should think of our National Anthem as a sound symbol rather than 
a piece of music---like our flag is a visual symbol with about the same set 
of meanings. If we ask that question about the flag, we quickly see how 
confusing the whole subject gets; are beach towels that look like flags 
inappropriate? What about shirts or underwear? What about burning the flag (a 
subject I really get upset over)? Then we can go in the other direction; what 
about the Berkleyites who after 9/11 refused to allow their fire department 
to attach flags to their fire engines as a patriotic symbol. Give Peace A 
Chance was their counter slogan. When the smoke clears, a national symbol is 
just that--a symbol. You can fiddle with it, turn it upside down, even try to 
mock it. But it's still what it is to millions of Americans. I'm one of them.

Dan Spink

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<HTML>In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:02:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dixielandjazz-request@ml.islandnet.com writes: 
 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated 10/24/02 02:01:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nancyink@ulink.net writes: 
 
 
&gt; Could you gentlemen 
&gt; please tell me where we're supposed to draw the line? What songs are 
&gt; touchable vs. untouchable? 
 
Its a matter of class..........some has it and some doesn't.&nbsp; If you want to 
know what class is............ask your grandmother.&nbsp; Grandmothers always know. 
 
Perhaps one problem is that we "use" our national anthem too much.&nbsp; On friday 
nights in this country, it is sung hundreds of thousands of times at football 
games.&nbsp; It is sung at virtually every sporting event.&nbsp; Maybe we hear it so 
much that some think it is O.K. to make a jazz piece out of it. 
It is more patriotically inspiring to hear a russian choir sing their 
national anthem than to hear what many have done with ours. 
Now before I am chastised for going too far afield in my non-DJML 
musings.............I will stop.&nbsp;&nbsp; Incidentally, Bob, I enjoyed Molly on the 
tube the other night. 
 
Don Hale 
 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
Dan Spink Offers then his opinion: 
Perhaps we should think of our National Anthem as a sound symbol rather than a piece of music---like our flag is a visual symbol with about the same set of meanings. If we ask that question about the flag, we quickly see how confusing the whole subject gets; are beach towels that look like flags inappropriate? What about shirts or underwear? What about burning the flag (a subject I really get upset over)? Then we can go in the other direction; what about the Berkleyites who after 9/11 refused to allow their fire department to attach flags to their fire engines as a patriotic symbol. Give Peace A Chance was their counter slogan. When the smoke clears, a national symbol is just that--a symbol. You can fiddle with it, turn it upside down, even try to mock it. But it's still what it is to millions of Americans. I'm one of them. 
 
Dan Spink</HTML>

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