[Dixielandjazz] Re: Youth Concerts

Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:53:56 EDT

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In a message dated 10/17/02 12:31:31 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Avache1@aol.com writes:

> JimDBB@aol.com writes:
> 
> << I don't think that it's a lot to ask that you do school programs at no 
> charge.  If you are that concerned about education as your plea for funds 
> seemed to imply, then just go do it.
> 

Allan Vache writes:

> Jim:
> It's obvious we agree to disagree. As I pointed out, the MPTF was created 
> for 
> just such endeavors to allow the musicians to be paid for their services. 
> As 
> Rex Allen pointed out teachers are paid to educate our kids, and so should  
> 
> musicians. Yes, I think it's important to present this music to young kids, 
> 
> but not at the expense of asking musicians to forget they are 
> professionals. 

   Many musicians have no problem forgetting that they are professionals, I 
wouldn't worry about this.

I, myself, would probably do a few concerts for free, and in fact, have done > 
> exactly that in the past. However, I have too much respect for my other > 
> fellow musicians to ask them to play for free. 

What utter rubbish.  Many musicians would be perfectly willing to donate 
their time and talent for educational purposes, especially where dealing with 
young kids.

Again, we are not talking > about a great deal of money here, it's union scale 
> for a school concert.
> I don't know what scale is in Chicago, but here in Orlando, it's not much.
> In regard to doctors and lawyers, I think you missed my point. I'm well 
> aware 
> of the fact that many doctors and lawyers perform free services. My point 
> was 
> if you compare how many doctors and lawyers performed free services to how 
> many musicians do, I believe you'd find that the musicians out number the 
> others by quite a few. If you want to play concerts for free go ahead, be 
> my 
> guest. I will not, and I'll not ask my fellow musicians to do so. What's 
> more 
> if I want to use this forum to solicit donations for what, I believe, is a 
> worthy cause, I will. I created this forum and see nothing wrong with what 
> I'm doing. The Central Florida Jazz society is a nonprofit organization, 
> which allows them to solicit donations for such causes as this. Therefore 
> we 
> plan on doing just that. Sorry you don't think we should, but frankly I 
> don't 
> care!!
> Allan Vache  

   Well, you have proved my point.  You are not really interested in exposing 
kids to good jazz as an educational function as you presented this, but in 
fact you are using this ploy to drum up some paid gigs.  There is nothing 
inherently wrong with this but be honest about it.

   Jim Beebe

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<HTML>In a message dated 10/17/02 12:31:31 PM Central Daylight Time, Avache1@aol.com writes: 
 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">JimDBB@aol.com writes: 
 
&lt;&lt; I don't think that it's a lot to ask that you do school programs at no 
charge.&nbsp; If you are that concerned about education as your plea for funds 
seemed to imply, then just go do it. 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
Allan Vache writes: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Jim: 
It's obvious we agree to disagree. As I pointed out, the MPTF was created for 
just such endeavors to allow the musicians to be paid for their services. As 
Rex Allen pointed out teachers are paid to educate our kids, and so should&nbsp; 
musicians. Yes, I think it's important to present this music to young kids, 
but not at the expense of asking musicians to forget they are professionals. </BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Many musicians have no problem forgetting that they are professionals, I wouldn't worry about this. 
 
I, myself, would probably do a few concerts for free, and in fact, have done <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">exactly that in the past.</BLOCKQUOTE> However, I have too much respect for my other <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">fellow musicians to ask them to play for free. </BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
What utter rubbish.&nbsp; Many musicians would be perfectly willing to donate their time and talent for educational purposes, especially where dealing with young kids. 
 
Again, we are not talking <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">about a great deal of money here, it's union scale for a school concert. 
I don't know what scale is in Chicago, but here in Orlando, it's not much. 
In regard to doctors and lawyers, I think you missed my point. I'm well aware 
of the fact that many doctors and lawyers perform free services. My point was 
if you compare how many doctors and lawyers performed free services to how 
many musicians do, I believe you'd find that the musicians out number the 
others by quite a few. If you want to play concerts for free go ahead, be my 
guest. I will not, and I'll not ask my fellow musicians to do so. What's more 
if I want to use this forum to solicit donations for what, I believe, is a 
worthy cause, I will. I created this forum and see nothing wrong with what 
I'm doing. The Central Florida Jazz society is a nonprofit organization, 
which allows them to solicit donations for such causes as this. Therefore we 
plan on doing just that. Sorry you don't think we should, but frankly I don't 
care!! 
Allan Vache&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, you have proved my point.&nbsp; You are not really interested in exposing kids to good jazz as an educational function as you presented this, but in fact you are using this ploy to drum up some paid gigs.&nbsp; There is nothing inherently wrong with this but be honest about it. 
 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Jim Beebe</HTML>

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