[Dixielandjazz] Re: Jazz Popular?

[fred spencer]

Dan,
Several jazz scholars say that "Mainstream" was coined by Stanley Dance
in the 1950s (e.g. Peter Clayton and Peter Gammond, "TheGuinness Jazz
Companion", and Barry Kernfeld, "New Grove Dictionary of Jazz"). Do you
have some documentation to support your statement that the "style"
originated in Australia in the 1940s? If so, this should be broadcast
throughout the jazz world as it would dispel another jazz myth. Best
wishes.
Fred


D and R Hardie wrote:

> Hi all.
>                   I had begun to wonder where  the
> list was going with all this remote  stuff,
> until   someone questioned whether  jazz had ever
> been popular. Of course, jazz was the pop music of
> the roaring twenties; one commentator reporting
> that  there were over 10000 jazz bands in the US
> in that decade. It was also hugely popular in
> Britain and Europe at that time. Scott Fitzgerald
> called it the Jazz Age, saying it began with the
> introduction of Prohibition in 1919 and ended with
> the Stock Market Crash of 1929. The pop audience
> of the thirties and forties were  then introduced
> to Swing and thought the earlier music  out of
> date -'square' they called it . Most of them were
> probably  never really conscious that Swing was a
> form of jazz, or at least its descendant.
>                   Perhaps it is not important for
> the young to have a sense of history. But if we
> are to understand the meaning of terms like
> Classic Jazz or Mainstream Jazz some historical
> perspective would seem to be needed. The latter
> term was used in Australia by followers of the
> 1940's Chicago Style to differentiate their
> somewhat 'progressive'  music from that of the
> revivalist bands  who were imitating  recordings
> by Bunk Johnson and the Classic 1920's jazz bands
> of  King Oliver and Jelly Roll Morton .  It seems
> it may have  have had a broader meaning elsewhere.
> Adulation, including the adoration of Louis
> Armstrong, seems to have been generational too,
> some fans cling to their idols  on until old age.
> My father adored the Jazz Singer.  Miles Davis
> music is not MKOM but I suppose its a type of
> modern jazz..
> Regards
> Dan Hardie
> Check Out the Early Jazz History site at:
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~darnhard/EarlyJazzHistory.html
>
> briantowers wrote:
>
> > Personally I find his playing a total bore.  My
> > ears hear a weak skinny
> > tone;  little rhythm; no humour or fun.
> > Mournful, whining self-conscious stuff -
> > absolutely none of the essential
> > ingredients and nothing to do with jazz as I
> > know it - the music of
> > Armstrong, Morton, Oliver, Waller and company.
> > The seemingly mindless
> > adulation he enjoys always puzzles me.
> >
> > But that is just my opinion.  Millions of people
> > out there think it is jazz
> > and think it is great.  To each his own.
> >
> > A Happy New Year to Everyone!
> > Brian Towers,
> > Hot Five Jazzmakers, Toronto, Canada
> > Band web site:
> > http://hotfivejazz.tripod.com
> > Newsletter:
> > http://hotfivejazz.tripod.com/TJM
> > New Year's Eve Bash:
> > http://hotfivejazz.tripod.com/nye
> >
> > Ted Wrote:
> >
> > > Does the list not like Miles Davis?- he is not
> > OKOM but is a great jazz
> > > player with few notes-Ted Borodofsky
> > >
> >
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